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When I was deadlifting, I put deads in the beginning of my back routine for most of the time. I found it was taking alot away from my regular back work at times, so I would start with some lat pulldowns or t-bar rows, maybe 5 sets and then go into deads. Seemed to help the problem somewhat. Cant say deads seemed to do much for me overall. It was fun to move all that weight, but wasnt worth the back injuries. I deadlifted like a motherfucker though, so that type of excess is probabally part of the cause. My upper back/chest measurement did not increase at all despite going from 365 to 505 on the deadlifts. My waist measurement did increase a few inches and traps may have grown somewhat. It wasnt anything I couldnt develop with shrugs and weighted hypers though. If deads arent dominating your back routine then I think they can be useful. Maybe a 5X5 routine or something similiar would be good for the deads.I just wouldnt expect any upper back growth from the movement. But that was just my experience. Keep KILLING that shit!!
Illuminati
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do your deads first
wnt2bBeast
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great pointAnthrax said:
ghettostudmuffin
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I never do regular deadlifts. I feel stiff legged does a better job of hitting the erectors and hams. Also form is easier to maintain as this isn't really an ego lift imho. I always do a few warmup sets and then a max set of 15 and call it good. That and a little barbell cleaning and some heav ysquatting takes care of my lower back.
wnt2bBeast
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ego lift? its called a power lift my friend..its toally not meant for high reps..bb'ers dont like to have sore lower backs so they leave the tough lifts for others..its the truest test of strength with very minimal technology involved
InTraining
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I prefer to do a vertical pulling motion(pullups, chinups etc) then move on to rack deadlifts in the back routine...
Seems that when I do it the other way around I am too tired to give the vertical pulling motion maximum intensity...
Try it both ways and see what works for you
And you are correct that deadlifts\rack deadlifts are great overall mass builders
Seems that when I do it the other way around I am too tired to give the vertical pulling motion maximum intensity...
Try it both ways and see what works for you
And you are correct that deadlifts\rack deadlifts are great overall mass builders
Can someone please help me out on this one?
I'm not a BB, or hardcore training... I'd like to gain some muscle mass, some strength, and be healthier over all.
BUT I mostly workout at home - pretty much everything but my legs are done at home... on a basic bench (incline/decline, and basic weight rack)
I find it hard to do my back and am looking to get some tips on how to get an effective back workout (5x5 prog) and not have any injuries.
I was doing DL's, BD Bendover rows, Shrugs.
BUT I was finding DL's to not be doing anything - and I think my form is lacking. Regardless of how many times i look it up, i still think somethings not right - not using the right muscles... Can someone step by step explain it, and how it differs from a Squat.
Also, perhaps what exercises i can or should be doing... I duno how the back is best to be worked out... not a real size maker is it?? More overall strength and stability and defintion?
On that what are some good exercises to be doing?
Thanks guys
Ryan
I'm not a BB, or hardcore training... I'd like to gain some muscle mass, some strength, and be healthier over all.
BUT I mostly workout at home - pretty much everything but my legs are done at home... on a basic bench (incline/decline, and basic weight rack)
I find it hard to do my back and am looking to get some tips on how to get an effective back workout (5x5 prog) and not have any injuries.
I was doing DL's, BD Bendover rows, Shrugs.
BUT I was finding DL's to not be doing anything - and I think my form is lacking. Regardless of how many times i look it up, i still think somethings not right - not using the right muscles... Can someone step by step explain it, and how it differs from a Squat.
Also, perhaps what exercises i can or should be doing... I duno how the back is best to be worked out... not a real size maker is it?? More overall strength and stability and defintion?
On that what are some good exercises to be doing?
Thanks guys
Ryan
What is a dumbell row? - same thing as a DB bent over row?
Pull ups not really an option for me as it's all home stuff, not alot of room.
At the end of the day, I gotta ask. For my goals, how essential is a back routine in my program? mean i'll do some stuff, but as far as going all out in the gym?
Would you mind walking through the steps of a deadlift?
1) feet shoulder width apart, toes under the bar, bar close to shins
2) Grab bar with overhand or mixed grip.
3) start to stand up as if it was a squat (in squatting form)
4) as you're straighening you knees, raise you back fully, straighten your back upright and push your hips forward and roll your shoulders back.
5) squat down in proper form to lower weight.
go back up as posted for more reps, or leave on groud if done set.
Sound about right?
And someone said once that i don't need heavy wieght for a DL to work?!
I did them for a few weeks in my routine, and only in the beginning did i feel it, and my lower back got tighter, but not so much anymore!
Pull ups not really an option for me as it's all home stuff, not alot of room.
At the end of the day, I gotta ask. For my goals, how essential is a back routine in my program? mean i'll do some stuff, but as far as going all out in the gym?
Would you mind walking through the steps of a deadlift?
1) feet shoulder width apart, toes under the bar, bar close to shins
2) Grab bar with overhand or mixed grip.
3) start to stand up as if it was a squat (in squatting form)
4) as you're straighening you knees, raise you back fully, straighten your back upright and push your hips forward and roll your shoulders back.
5) squat down in proper form to lower weight.
go back up as posted for more reps, or leave on groud if done set.
Sound about right?
And someone said once that i don't need heavy wieght for a DL to work?!
I did them for a few weeks in my routine, and only in the beginning did i feel it, and my lower back got tighter, but not so much anymore!
ghettostudmuffin
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I know what powerlifting is. I know what deadlifts are. I called it an ego lift just because. Regular deadlifts are my strongest exercise. I respect a strong pull. I rarely see anyone at my gym do deadlifts or cleans for that matter. Don't assume I don't know what a deadlift is or what powerlifting is. The few guys that I see doing it rarely, usually have crappy form on it. I do agree it is the purest test of strength, but not the best muscle builder. I feel like stiff legged deadlifts are more beneficial for muscular development. I like high reps in the stiff legged dead, and low reps in regular deads. My regular dead goes up as my squats go up. So I don't feel the need to do them anymore as my lowerback already gets alot of stress from low rep, heavy weight squats. I do the stiff's for strength as well as muscular development in high reps. AS for bodybuilders not liking sore backs, lol. Well I could say powerlifters are fatasses based on that statement, and only the dedicated pay attention to diet, but that isn't true now is it? As for tough lifts, how's lifting chunks of concrete, sandbags, boulders, logs and small block engines suit you? I've lifted all these various things in the past and will again in the near future and consider them tougher than regualr deads, but that's just my opinion. And btw, deads and any other exercise can be done in whatever rep range you want. There is no law that says you can only do deads in low reps.
wnt2bBeast
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GhettoStudMuffin said:
I just dont like the term ego lift..because i dont care how big an ego you have if your form sucks and you shoot from the mouth sooner or later youll be brought back down to earth..so i see no ego in deads
Its been proven using a RELATIVE heavy weight your form goes to shit quicker when doing higher reps with deads..never said there was a LAW lol..
ghettostudmuffin
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Well you did say it's not meant for high reps and that's BS. Look at your post if you don't believe me. As for ego lift, you took that WAY out of context. I just used that word once. You could call any exercise a potential ego lift. I didn't mean to put down the deadlift in anyway. And btw, I don't like the way you said bodybuilders don't like sore backs and leave the tough lifts for others. That's a big 'ol HEAPIN crock of horse shit. 
I won't call a deadlift an ego lift anymore(once I called it that lol), so don't called bodybuilders wussies, cuz that's basically what you implied, and I think it's fairly obvious that's not true.
I won't call a deadlift an ego lift anymore(once I called it that lol), so don't called bodybuilders wussies, cuz that's basically what you implied, and I think it's fairly obvious that's not true.wnt2bBeast
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GhettoStudMuffin said:Well you did say it's not meant for high reps and that's BS. Look at your post if you don't believe me. As for ego lift, you took that WAY out of context. I just used that word once. You could call any exercise a potential ego lift. I didn't mean to put down the deadlift in anyway. And btw, I don't like the way you said bodybuilders don't like sore backs and leave the tough lifts for others. That's a big 'ol HEAPIN crock of horse shit.
deal..
but i still dont believe in high rep deads other than warm up sets..
ghettostudmuffin
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Pfft!
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