Deads form

[anthrax]

When you do regular deadlifts, starting BB on the floor, how can you have a flat/slightly arched back AND the knees not past toes ???

I try to keep a flat back but my knees are past toes and that seems to put some stress on my already screwed patella

and should the BB touch your shins ?
I know that w/ Romanian DL the BB is "far" from the shins but what about regular DL ?
(I end up some of my deads workout with blood on the BB...)

 

[Madcow2]

It depends on your build. It could be on the shins or off. It's not going to be too far off even for the oddest build human since the center of gravity and line of pull has to be right on. No one is pulling 600 12" out in front of them. Some people do bleed on the bar. Make sure you take responsibility for cleaning it up and sanitizing it afterward. Sweatpants can be helpful (I've ruined many pairs with cleans) some powder on the legs. You don't want your butt under you too much. Your shoulders should be over the bar. Check the position of your shoulders relative to the bar in a mirror placed to yoru side. You also don't want to be squatted super far down. A modest bend in the knees, back flat/arched and shoulders should be right about over the bar. I bet your back is angled at greater than 45 degrees to the ground forcing your butt underneath you and your knees out. Is this right? Maybe experiment with lowering that angle. You don't want to be parallel to the floor but there is a happy medium somewhere that will set you up correctly.

 

[football63]

I know that when I do Deads I get blood on my chins. I think its just part of it. The closer to your body the more likelihood that your keeping your lower back straight. I suppose if your back is really strong and youve never had injury I can be a little flexible in where the BB is when you pull. Personally, I want to protect my back at all costs and just put up with a little blood. No biggie.

 

[MsBeverlyHills]

heres a couple pics from t-mag

http://www.t-nation.com/assets/images/39lift1.jpg
http://www.t-nation.com/assets/images/39lift2.jpg
http://www.t-nation.com/assets/images/39lift5.jpg
http://www.t-nation.com/assets/images/39lift7.jpg


-Bar against shins, Back flat, knees over toes.

 

[Illuminati]

what kind of stance do you use? if you are using a conventional stance (which it sounds like) try pushing your glutes back farther when you get into position for the deadlift. also, try arching the back, much like you would with a squat. the key to deadlifting lies in keeping your shoulders behind the bar. make sure when you set up, your shoulders are not in front of the bar.
if you are ending up with blood on the bar, then you are starting too close to the bar. when you deadlift, you should be pulling up and into the body (this will help to create a better center of gravity.) try backing yourself an inch or so from the bar, and see if this helps.

 

[ghettostudmuffin]

I think it depends on the person's build.

One of the powerlifter's at my gym that's been doing it for like 25 years helped me get my form down and I don't know if he did it purposely or not, but I set my feet right, raise my hands up, fill my lungs with air, then grab the bar shoulder width, pull my arms taut, sit back and down as much as I can and bring the bar to my shins and then pull my shoudlers back and look up. Then I push hard with my legs and it breaks the ground very easily. The bar pretty much rolls up my shins and as I break past the knees I concentrate on pushing the hips forward hard and up it goes.

That's how I've been taught to do them. I sit back all the way and the bar touches my shins. If I let go of the bar I'd go flying backwards lol. I think he taught me to do them that way because of my build and it helps me get the bar off the floor and bring my legs into it more, because if I break it off the floor even an inch it's gonna go up.

Before I used to do them almost entirely stiff-legged with the bar at least 6 inches away from my shins lmao.

I'm just guessing it depends mostly on the person's build, but that's just my newbie PL opinion.

 

[anthrax]

Thanks all !

Devastation, who's a PLer, suggested, to start with the ass not too low

It will certainly help avoid having the knees past the toes still keep an arched back