Thanks for all the replies guys. Yes, i have heard that a lot of the weight you put on with dbol was water weight, but does that mean that if you take out the water retention, it really doesn't put much dry mass on?? The anabolic rating system is really weird and can't be 100% accurate for everyone either. I REALLY really want to run winstrol finally, because i've always wanted to, but then again, maybe dbol and tren/prarabolan would be as good or better. That's the decision i'm trying to make: parabolan/winny, or parabolan/danabol? On a side note, does anyone know if parabolan is more liver toxic than tren?