Dbol/Test/Deca is not a first cycle!!!

[BigAndy69]

For some unknown reason some people are recommending 30mg of dbol, 500mg of test and 400mg of Deca or Eq as a first cycle, whether these people are terrible BBer or are sources trying to get you to use more, I don't know.

These doses represent a third or 4th cycle for most real BBers. You don't need a gram of AS on your first cycle to see a 15-20lbs jump in LBM. If you do, then you are doing something terribly wrong.

Yeah, yeah; you know someone who gained 30lbs on his last cycle but he neglected to tell you that half of it was water.

Finally here are some good first cycle:

250mg of sust E5D

150-200mg of Test E4D

150-200mg of EQ E4D

100-150mg of Deca E4D

25mg Oxandrin ED

The doses depend on whether you have human grade or Mexican or bootleg gear.

 

[Twitched]

Good post Andy.

 

[hipsacjack]

I agree BigAndy. I did 500/sust 400/EQ for my first cycle and I wish I did less. I only gained 10lbs and don't know where to go from here. What do you think? Should I go lighter, the same, or heavier?

 

[BigAndy69]

I agree BigAndy. I did 500/sust 400/EQ for my first cycle and I wish I did less. I only gained 10lbs and don't know where to go from here. What do you think? Should I go lighter, the same, or heavier?

I think you need to look at your lifting, eating and sleeping habits. Don't focus so much on the gear, it's not a priority.

 

[bigAragorn]

agreed...

...bigAndy. I definately think as do probably most other vets here that rest and proper nutrition are key and in fact should be taken care of first before considering a cycle...

I have gained 50 lbs of muscle in the last 2 years of training simply by watching my eating habits and making sure i get enough rest...

of course i must agree that less is more during the first cycle as you have designed my first cycle...lol. sust 250 e5d should do it eh?

b.A.

 

[johnboy]

I'm doing this cycle now except 40mg dbol.

For some unknown reason some people are recommending 30mg of dbol, 500mg of test and 400mg of Deca or Eq as a first cycle, whether these people are terrible BBer or are sources trying to get you to use more, I don't know.

These doses represent a third or 4th cycle for most real BBers. You don't need a gram of AS on your first cycle to see a 15-20lbs jump in LBM. If you do, then you are doing something terribly wrong.

Yeah, yeah; you know someone who gained 30lbs on his last cycle but he neglected to tell you that half of it was water.

Finally here are some good first cycle:

250mg of sust E5D

150-200mg of Test E4D

150-200mg of EQ E4D

100-150mg of Deca E4D

25mg Oxandrin ED

The doses depend on whether you have human grade or Mexican or bootleg gear.

pretty damn impressed, but its not my first cycle either and I am using liquidex to keep the dbol bloat down.

 

[Audio8]

first cycles should be basic...and limited to one or two drugs...with strict emphasis on the diet.

At most, I would recommend:

BULKING:

Deca----300-400mg----weeks 1-8
Dbol----20mg------------weeks 1-5

or

Test-----250-400mg---weeks 1-8
Dbol-----20mg----------weeks 1-5


CUTTING:

EQ-----300-400mg--------weeks 1-8
Winny---30-50mg ED-----weeks 1-8

or

test (Prop)----300-400mg---weeks 1-8
winny---------30-50mg ED----weeks 1-8


.....With clomid of course...

DIET IS KEY TO MAKING GAINS...i think many newbies misunderstand that one point...get that in your head first before you start on anything.. goodluck kiddos!

 

[olympia4ever]

thanx for telling people this...i thought i was right in saying that some of the first cycles on here are crazy...people got me worried that i was going to take too little, so i put forward the notion of taking slightly more. Someone recomended me to take 500 sust 400 deca and 30 mg dbol for the first 5 weeks. for my first cycle...i thought this would be too strong and think that i would take a cycle like that for my 3rd cycle rather than first. Im just glad that people like you recognise that 500 sust 400 deca and dbol is not for a first cycle.im stiking with my 400 deca/week and 250 sust/5 days cycle, originally it was for 8 weeks but now it will be for 10 weeks, thats if im still responding well after the 8 weeks.

 

[MadCow1]

I totally agree. The 3 drug 1 gram+ first cycles on this board are ludicrous. Just 8 years ago people were doing very successful first cycles with 200mg of test or deca weekly - unstacked. Guys were putting on 15-20lbs with a few exceptions gaining only 10. Several guys on here have also reported great gains on these dosages. I don't think I hit 800mg weekly until my 8th cycle (I've done enough to lose count so it's not exact but close).

Some guys on their 2nd and 3rd cycles are using more drugs than I have ever used in my life. I read this board to a friend who was a world caliber lifter (no stranger to roids) and he shit when I quoted first cycle dosages and what some guys on here are taking.

Personally, I feel it's the training. I see roiders in the gym all the time who don't pull from the floor, bounce their deadlifts, squat 1/2 way with their heels coming up, and those are the guys who know enough to squat and dead. When I see this, I understand why so many guys can't gain on basic dosages. The internet has made these drugs available to guys who no one would have sold to before.

 

[Delinquent]

Why not deca @ 300mg or test enth at 250mg for a first cycle? It seems more reasonable to do a cycle with one type so you can find which one best works for you. If you use that type of "cocktail", you won't know which one to use the next time.

 

[Bam Bam]

For some unknown reason some people are recommending 30mg of dbol, 500mg of test and 400mg of Deca or Eq as a first cycle, whether these people are terrible BBer or are sources trying to get you to use more, I don't know.

These doses represent a third or 4th cycle for most real BBers. You don't need a gram of AS on your first cycle to see a 15-20lbs jump in LBM. If you do, then you are doing something terribly wrong.

Yeah, yeah; you know someone who gained 30lbs on his last cycle but he neglected to tell you that half of it was water.

Finally here are some good first cycle:

250mg of sust E5D

150-200mg of Test E4D

150-200mg of EQ E4D

100-150mg of Deca E4D

25mg Oxandrin ED

The doses depend on whether you have human grade or Mexican or bootleg gear.

Good post bro, I totally agree with this. BamBam

 

[Super Halo Man]

I bet you guys are expecting me to post up that one cycle from one of my first threads... ...maybe a Stenox or Android F cycle... either way, I was thinking about it. Instead, I think what I will do is smile and nod.

 

[BigAndy69]

Just to let you guys know, I'm cycling and lifting heavy again after my injury, I've lifted without the use of AS this last year and when from 193lbs at well over 20% bodyfat, (can you picture a 39.5inch waist on a guy who's 5'8 ) to currently 205lbs or so at 13% BF with a 34inch waist.

I've been waiting to hit a cycle for so long since my injury but I waited,

This is what I planned for september:

40mg of anavar for 6-8 weeks (powder)

My cycle in January will be:

Ganabol(EQ): 300mg a week for 10 weeks and anavar at 30mg Ed for 5 weeks, and a bridge with anavar w11-12 at 20mg ED in the morning

I'm double the size of most of these kids you are doing 1g+ cycles and I don't go over half a gram.

 

[rodd45]

Advice

hey bigandy, hows this for a second cycle, 500 mg sust and 300 mg of deca per week. I am 5'10 and 210, working out for several years.

 

[Themachine01]

I would not suggest anyone try deca alone for a first cycle, i wouldnt recommend deca at all for a first cycle. It is not a good AS when used alone.

rodd45, that looks good for a second cycle.

 

[BigAndy69]

Re: Advice

hey bigandy, hows this for a second cycle, 500 mg sust and 300 mg of deca per week. I am 5'10 and 210, working out for several years.

depends on the brand of gear your previous cycle experience...

 

[rodd45]

thanks Themachine.

As for my prevoius cycle, I took 250 mg of sust , (organon, yellowish brown amps ) for 8 weeks with 200 mg of IP eq. Then clomid and proviron.

CLOMID WILL be a must in every cycle and some kind of anti-e as well.

 

[frorider6]

I agree that too many people are suggesting too high of doseages for first cycles. Here's my related thread.

Discussion on "Newbie Cycles" and light cycles. I'd like some opinions on these...

 

[BigAndy69]

What were your results Btw?

I think that's acceptable as a second cycle but I would recommend that you cut out the deca and just run test at 500mg a week

 

[Tigerparks]

Good post BIG ANDY.

I started off on those higer dosages mentioned on my first cycle, and broke out in loads of spots, very bad shin pains with 30mgs of dbol and Mitchelin Man water bloat. Nevermind Sust 250, it should be renamed to Spots 250. Cause that's how many I had on my back!

For my 2nd cycle which I'm on my last week of, I halved the dose. To 1 X amp Sust250 weekly. 1 X 200mg of Deca EVERY 10 DAYS. And 15mgs of dbol per day.

Guess what? No spots, very little water bloat and 14lbs weight gain. Strength and size increases? Oh yes! All this in 8 weeks.

Cannot wait 'til my 'late summer cycle'.

 

[rodd45]

My first time I managed to keep a good 14 lbs. I was happy. I gained 21 but lost a few lbs when I stopped. My 14 has stayed with me though.
Any reason why I should skip the deca ? I wont use it if I dont have too.

 

[BigAndy69]

Well, you can use deca your third cycle. Test at 500mg is plenty to see great results, you can pack on another 10-15lbs, with proper diet and training of course. Add a light dose of an oral is you want an extra kick the first 4-5 weeks.

You see, my theory is that you should use as little as possible to see results because I beleive that you become less sensitive to steroids; however, many people don't.

Think about it; if you start with 30mg of dbol/500mg of test/ 400mg of deca, what's your next cycle going to be? And what about the third and fourth?

 

[BigAndy69]

Good post BIG ANDY.

I started off on those higer dosages mentioned on my first cycle, and broke out in loads of spots, very bad shin pains with 30mgs of dbol and Mitchelin Man water bloat. Nevermind Sust 250, it should be renamed to Spots 250. Cause that's how many I had on my back!

For my 2nd cycle which I'm on my last week of, I halved the dose. To 1 X amp Sust250 weekly. 1 X 200mg of Deca EVERY 10 DAYS. And 15mgs of dbol per day.

Guess what? No spots, very little water bloat and 14lbs weight gain. Strength and size increases? Oh yes! All this in 8 weeks.

Cannot wait 'til my 'late summer cycle'.

Good to hear, Tiger. Keep it up.

 

[DEI]

BIG ANDY 69
I AGREE WITH YOUR ADVICES, I MIGHT NOT SHARE ALL YOUR OPINIONS, THAT ANYWAY ARE ALWAYS VERY INTERESTING AND EDUCATIVE, BUT I THINK IT IS ALSO IMPORTANT TO STATE WHAT YOU DO WITH THIS POST.
KARMA BRO.

 

[Dr.X]

Hmmm.....I had planned on doing exactly that for my second cycle and it seemed appropriate. A lot of people on here thought it was ok.

wk1-4 Dbol 30mg/day
wk 1-8 Omna 500mg/wk
wk 1-10 Deca 400mg/wk
liquidex throughout and clomid after

Maybe I should reconsider?

 

[DEI]

DR.X
THAT IS A GREAT CYCLE BUT NOT FOR A NEWBIE IN MY OPINION.
WHAT WAS YOUR FIRST CYCLE LIKE?

 

[rodd45]

thanks guys, great info to consider.

 

[Dr.X]

My first cycle was:
wk1-8 ** cyp 500mg/wk
wk 1-10 ** EQ 400mg/wk
wk 5-9 fina 50mg/day

The second cycle I planned on doing seemed like a logical progression. I wasn't really happy with the results of my first cycle. It could be due to the potency of the ** stuff though(?)

 

[DEI]

that wasnt precisely a soft cycle dude

 

[young guns]

BigAndy69, glad to see someone who is gonna do an eq/ox cycle. i was considering it for either my first or second cycle but very rarely seen anyone talk about it.

I havent done anything yet, and was considering anavar alone for my first this summer at 30-40 mg a day depending on what kind it is. the other idea i had was to wait and go with the anavar/eq cycle.

do you think anavar alone for 6 weeks would give some good results providing clean diet and proper training? or should i hold off and go with the anavar plus eq (i will have to give some though on cycle lenght and dosages later)?

by the way, how much does the anavar powder run and who makes it?

 

[rodman]

everyone will respond differently to cycles. i'm running sus/deca/dbol right now in my second week. i'm up 15lbs and still have 6 weeks to go. frontloaded the sus@750 for the first two weeks, then back to 500 for 6 weeks. dbol@30mg 1-5 weeks, deca@200(norma hellas) for 1-8. so far, very happy, looking to grow even more....

 

[BigAndy69]

BigAndy69, glad to see someone who is gonna do an eq/ox cycle. i was considering it for either my first or second cycle but very rarely seen anyone talk about it.

I havent done anything yet, and was considering anavar alone for my first this summer at 30-40 mg a day depending on what kind it is. the other idea i had was to wait and go with the anavar/eq cycle.

do you think anavar alone for 6 weeks would give some good results providing clean diet and proper training? or should i hold off and go with the anavar plus eq (i will have to give some though on cycle lenght and dosages later)?

by the way, how much does the anavar powder run and who makes it?

Yes, if you use enough anavar you should see amazing results. I'd go with 30-40mg for 6-8 weeks.

I get the anavar powder 110 bucks, Grade USP24, 200 5mg servings, but I'm capping them at 10mg each. Can't wait to start, I've seen what it's done to one of my buddies.

 

[Vageta]

I don't think Test + Deca should ever be used for a beginner cycle. Why? You have no clue about how your body will react to AS and if you get gyno symptoms you won't have any clue if it's progesterone or estrogen related. I think you should do these drugs seperately and if you can tolerate them both seperate then think about adding them together.

I have only done 2 cycles in my time, one transdermal Fina and an oxandrolone cycle. I got great results on both and they were both cutting cycles. I am currently figuring out what my first true bulking cycle is going to be this winter. I will most likely keep it at something simple like 500-600mg of test cyp or enth a week for 8 weeks. I'm considering the Testex elmu which is 125mg/ml and will probably do something like 3ml every 5 days for 8 weeks(works out to less than 500 per week). The only other thing I might add is oxandrolone at like 30-40mg per day thoughout. Why? Because I'm in love with the stuff and due to it's ability to put on mass while lowering bodyfat I think it would be great to bulk with and help keep fat gain to a minimum. No Deca, no Dbol, no EQ. Just a medium dose of test with some oxandrolone.

The fina and ox alone have put over an inch on my arms, all while in a fairly aggressive hypocaloric state. I fully expect that when I actually go into bulking mode with a good calorie intake that I will put on some serious mass. I can't wait...