dbol and sust is an example of a classic begginers cycle, IF you have arimidex/liquidex you will keep bloating down to a minimum and help prevent bitch-tits (best anti-e in my opinon). Of course clomid therapy and you have a beautiful newbie cycle. I used 20mg of dbol along with 500mg/sust and fina for my first and gained 31lbs. Im using liquidex right now and over the past week my moon face has somewhat diminished and i can finally see my jawline and cheek bones again.