I think we need to clarify exactly what he is taking some people post dbol and thats not exactly it , bc if what he means is an oral like diesel than your way off on the suggestion. 30 is the reccomended max 40 is doable but still not what a first timer should run. op post up your cycle plan what you are taking exactly along with your supporting supps and pct. If you post all of this up we will help you out. Ive ran a few oral cycles and have a few more in plans. ive annoyed every vet member on here getting the plan and advice ill save you that work lol