Dbol/Anavar/Arimidex/Nolva/Clomid/Gyno

[mukkler]

Okey, im planning my first cycle.

Im thinking oral only, dianabol, and maybe anavar?

Now im really scared about getting bt/gyno since i had this during my teenage years but it went away. I no longer have gyno, but i do have a little bigger breasts then most guys, especially during a bulkperiod alot of the fat i put on adds to my chest if you understand what i mean, some guys just get a big stomach.. but my fat gets more spread out. I am now 26, weighing in at 90kg with about 13% bodyfat.

I have previously tried winstrol during a weightloss period..

Now i can get arimidex, nolva, clomid, dbol, anavar... basically anything. I can also get inject but i heard about great gains with dbol and i heard that if you do your training and your PCT correctly you can keep the most of it. Anavar is also supposed to help keeping the gains? Also dbol is very shortlived in the system right? If i get problems i can stop taking it and the problems wont go so far?

I have read ALOT on the internet, but everyone says different... depending on how much money you have, what you can get etc. Its not so easy to get all the info at once.

So can you guys help me put together a cycle? I mean im thinking 30mg dbol per day. And maybe arimidex 0,25mg or 0,5mg during the whole cycle? Maybe some 10mg nolva daily too? This will what i understand prevent alot of the water retention from the d-bol?

Should i do a ladder? Maybe starting with 10mg dbol the first few days, then increasing it to 30mg within a week. To see how my body reacts on the dbol and if i get any gyno-symptoms? Should i start with Arimidex 0,5 + nolva 10mg a few days before dbol? Is arimidex bad to take troughout the cycle?

Please help me with some feedback...

 

[hammertime30]

Okey, im planning my first cycle.

Im thinking oral only, dianabol, and maybe anavar?

Now im really scared about getting bt/gyno since i had this during my teenage years but it went away. I no longer have gyno, but i do have a little bigger breasts then most guys, especially during a bulkperiod alot of the fat i put on adds to my chest if you understand what i mean, some guys just get a big stomach.. but my fat gets more spread out. I am now 26, weighing in at 90kg with about 13% bodyfat.

I have previously tried winstrol during a weightloss period..

Now i can get arimidex, nolva, clomid, dbol, anavar... basically anything. I can also get inject but i heard about great gains with dbol and i heard that if you do your training and your PCT correctly you can keep the most of it. Anavar is also supposed to help keeping the gains? Also dbol is very shortlived in the system right? If i get problems i can stop taking it and the problems wont go so far?

I have read ALOT on the internet, but everyone says different... depending on how much money you have, what you can get etc. Its not so easy to get all the info at once.

So can you guys help me put together a cycle? I mean im thinking 30mg dbol per day. And maybe arimidex 0,25mg or 0,5mg during the whole cycle? Maybe some 10mg nolva daily too? This will what i understand prevent alot of the water retention from the d-bol?

Should i do a ladder? Maybe starting with 10mg dbol the first few days, then increasing it to 30mg within a week. To see how my body reacts on the dbol and if i get any gyno-symptoms? Should i start with Arimidex 0,5 + nolva 10mg a few days before dbol? Is arimidex bad to take troughout the cycle?

Please help me with some feedback...

You're not experienced enough to run a dbol only cycle and make it work for you...because you are prone to gyno...maybe run anavar only cycle and see if you like what you get...but if you want to run a real cycle and are willing and ready to deal with all that comes with it, then you have to run an injectable.

like so:
dbol 20mg - wks 1-4 (though I prefer 3 weeks on 5-6 weeks off and 3 weeks on but that's me)
test cyp or ent 250mg - wks 1-12
eq - 400mg wks 1-12 (you can frontload if you wish)
var 30-40mg - wks 4-12

or drop the dbol and run var for weeks 4-12 or 1-8

Always run arimidex at .25 to .5mg eod especially if you are prone to gyno and/or bloat and always have nolva on hand at all time....Plus I didn't discuss PCT for this was just the beginning!

 

[mukkler]

You're not experienced enough to run a dbol only cycle and make it work for you...because you are prone to gyno...maybe run anavar only cycle and see if you like what you get...but if you want to run a real cycle and are willing and ready to deal with all that comes with it, then you have to run an injectable.

like so:
dbol 20mg - wks 1-4 (though I prefer 3 weeks on 5-6 weeks off and 3 weeks on but that's me)
test cyp or ent 250mg - wks 1-12
eq - 400mg wks 1-12 (you can frontload if you wish)
var 30-40mg - wks 4-12

or drop the dbol and run var for weeks 4-12 or 1-8

Always run arimidex at .25 to .5mg eod especially if you are prone to gyno and/or bloat and always have nolva on hand at all time....Plus I didn't discuss PCT for this was just the beginning!

I dont fully understand (btw, english is not my primary language). Why not dbol only? You say that i have to run injectable? Do you mean that those injectables have some kind of protecting effect? I havent read so much about injectables. I thought it would be safer to run a dbol only, i figured since dbol isnt active so long in the system (half-time of 3-4 hours), i can just quit it if i get problems? (still continuing with nolva until problems go away + 2 weeks extra). Arent those injectables active in the system a long time, which is bad if i get gyno symptoms?

Please tell me, i spent +20 hours on the internet reading about steroids.. still havent figured all stuff out..

 

[hammertime30]

I dont fully understand (btw, english is not my primary language). Why not dbol only? You say that i have to run injectable? Do you mean that those injectables have some kind of protecting effect? I havent read so much about injectables. I thought it would be safer to run a dbol only, i figured since dbol isnt active so long in the system (half-time of 3-4 hours), i can just quit it if i get problems? (still continuing with nolva until problems go away + 2 weeks extra). Arent those injectables active in the system a long time, which is bad if i get gyno symptoms?

Please tell me, i spent +20 hours on the internet reading about steroids.. still havent figured all stuff out..

Though dbol stays in the system for shorter time than an injectable it's actually worst on the body. Mostly the liver and can cause some serious damage if taken too long at too high of a dosage. Injectables are safer because they are not filtered by the liver, but still have side effects as with all steroids. With dbol, gyno would be least of your concerns if you do not know what you are doing...try liver damage! Now the reason why I said you don't have enough knowledge is because dbol will cause you to gain weight very rapidly and usually the weight isn't high in quality (water) meaning you will lose it very quickly because your body haven't had time to adjust to the rapid weight gain. With an injectable you can run it for a longer period of time thus being that the weight gain would be slower, the gains would be of a higher quality (muscle) thus more keepable once the cycle is over. I recommend that you read up on all steroids before you decide to start taking them...Read as many books as possible for you have a lot to learn before starting or else you will regret it!

 

[jmonkey]

great feedback hammertime,
just like to add that dbol ( for me anyways) causes gyne symtoms in less than 21 days of use at a moderate dose(25mg/day).

I wouldnt use dbol as it aromatizes much to easily, im not saying its not effective at adding mass but if gyno is a major concern i would avoid it.

jm

 

[mukkler]

Though dbol stays in the system for shorter time than an injectable it's actually worst on the body. Mostly the liver and can cause some serious damage if taken too long at too high of a dosage. Injectables are safer because they are not filtered by the liver, but still have side effects as with all steroids. With dbol, gyno would be least of your concerns if you do not know what you are doing...try liver damage! Now the reason why I said you don't have enough knowledge is because dbol will cause you to gain weight very rapidly and usually the weight isn't high in quality (water) meaning you will lose it very quickly because your body haven't had time to adjust to the rapid weight gain. With an injectable you can run it for a longer period of time thus being that the weight gain would be slower, the gains would be of a higher quality (muscle) thus more keepable once the cycle is over. I recommend that you read up on all steroids before you decide to start taking them...Read as many books as possible for you have a lot to learn before starting or else you will regret it!

Thanks for your answer. I know about liverdamage and dbol, but 30mg /day isnt that much? Maybe i could do even less? I read reports that people got really nice high quality gains with as little as 10mg/day. And i know i shouldnt take it no longer than 6-8 weeks. Is it really that bad? I havent read about anyone getting permanent liverdamage from dbol? Alot of the more advanced cycles have 4 weeks of dbol in them? You also have the dianabol bridge.. i really think the liver can take the beating..

I know people generally say that dbol alone isnt worth it since you will loose all your results at the end. But then theres other people saying that if i combine it with anavar. i will be able to keep much more, or isnt that true?

 

[mukkler]

great feedback hammertime,
just like to add that dbol ( for me anyways) causes gyne symtoms in less than 21 days of use at a moderate dose(25mg/day).

I wouldnt use dbol as it aromatizes much to easily, im not saying its not effective at adding mass but if gyno is a major concern i would avoid it.

jm

Did you run dbol alone? What if i throw in some arimidex and perhaps nolvadex that will stop it from aromatizing?

Since you get gyno from dbol, have you tried anything else that works better? What cycles have you tried without gynosymptoms?