D-bol + Winny -- what would happen?

[THeMaCHinE]

Ok, say you kept the total to 50 mg combined of 17aa oral roids for a 5-7 week period (so that your liver didn't explode). Say, 25 mg ed of winny, 25 of dbol.

Thinking that the winny would keep the water from the dbol down, and both would give pretty good strength increases with moderate muscle gain.

Any problems with this? Would a straight winny-only cycle at 50 ed be better? Thoughts/experiences appreciated...

 

[Maxx Out]

U'd shit out your liver...lol.

Well just to tell you I can't give any advice on this because I wouldn't do two 17-alk steroids at the same time---can u say liver damage?

 

[Adaptek]

U'd shit out your liver...lol.

Well just to tell you I can't give any advice on this because I wouldn't do two 17-alk steroids at the same time---can u say liver damage?

People use a lot more than that all the time with no problem.

Its an okay stack bro. Try to stick some deca in there.

 

[THeMaCHinE]

People use a lot more than that all the time with no problem.

Its an okay stack bro. Try to stick some deca in there.

I'd throw the remainder of that deca I was asking about this morning in with it...

Maxx Out
that's why I was saying you'd keep the total to 50 mg/day, to avoid killing your liver -- I don't think 50 is too much, if you do, tell me why.

 

[athlete03]

Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm almost positive those are both class II AAS. I don't know how those specifically stack, but my guess is that it might be better to disregard one of those 17aa's and throw in a class I. M'kay.

 

[Weam]

Side effects will vary due to individuals, as an example a study used 40mg of Anavar a day and showed to be liver toxic while another study used 150mg of Anadrol per day for 30weeks and showed to be safe with no liver toxication or even elavation of liver enzymes

see, some would use Anadrol at 50mg/day and get serious liver damage while other would use 150mg/day and gets nothing!

 

[panerai]

I'm with Athlete03 on this...

 

[THeMaCHinE]

Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm almost positive those are both class II AAS. I don't know how those specifically stack, but my guess is that it might be better to disregard one of those 17aa's and throw in a class I. M'kay.

This is more what I was referring to. I sorta remember something of this nature too, but I don't know how it applies to these particular drugs. Something like they work through the same pathways, therefore, taking both is a waste... Would this apply to these two?

 

[panerai]

It's not a waste, but it's not the most effecient stack neither. You need to stack one of them with steroid that strong binding affinity to Androgen Receptor, e.g. Testosteron, Nandrolone, Trenbolone. Testosteron would be the best choice, IMO.

 

[Enzo250]

Why are you stacking these two? What are your goals? I wouldn't use those two together. There are many others that would stack very nicely with dbol.

 

[THeMaCHinE]

Why are you stacking these two? What are your goals? I wouldn't use those two together. There are many others that would stack very nicely with dbol.

Interested mostly in leaning down, hence the interest in winny. Wouldn't mind a little muscle addition in the process, hence the dbol. Would rather have had IP anavar, but none of my guys have it. I can put these together for dirt cheap too.

 

[Digital Ronin]

If you're interested in cutting, then go with an Eq/Winny cycle...

Wk 1-10 Eq 400mg/wk & Winny 50mg/ED

 

[THeMaCHinE]

If you're interested in cutting, then go with an Eq/Winny cycle...

Wk 1-10 Eq 400mg/wk & Winny 50mg/ED

Well, I've got some leftover Deca I'm going to throw in for a few weeks already...

 

[THeMaCHinE]

I could also just go straight winny...

 

[Enzo250]

If your interested in cutting and also don't want to spend much money... I would use fina and Eq. you could buy 2 carts of fina and a kit for about 100 bucks. you could also get some ttokkyo eq bottles for under a 100 from a good source. Use the dbol only for the first four weeks and the fina/eq throughout... You should see some pretty good results from this... Also what are some of your stats? It would help...

 

[THeMaCHinE]

If your interested in cutting and also don't want to spend much money... I would use fina and Eq. you could buy 2 carts of fina and a kit for about 100 bucks. you could also get some ttokkyo eq bottles for under a 100 from a good source. Use the dbol only for the first four weeks and the fina/eq throughout... You should see some pretty good results from this... Also what are some of your stats? It would help...

5'11" or 6', 209 lbs., about 11/12 percent bf

 

[Enzo250]

I think you would be better off using winny, fina , and Eq for ten weeks and forget about the dbol. You will get quite strong using these three and would also get chiseled. At your bf% you should make sure you eat clean and do your cardio. You might want to try some clen and t3 also. Your Ideal goal should be set somewhere between 7~8 % BF and 190~195 lbs. You would be ready for summer.

 

[Justtryingnot2getfat]

IMO adrol (Wk1-4) would be better than dbol when using the winny or fina/dbol but good to add some test

 

[koen]

TheMachine (or anyone else), how does winstrol diminish the water retention? With Anadrol I can understand it because of its anti progestenic effects, but how does diminish water retention with d-bol?

 

[Audio8]

Machine,
I asked the exact same quesiton last week. If you're only gonna do the Dbol and Winny, you'll probably get better results first doing Dbol alone, then switching to winny. That's what I'm doing now. I was supposed to get deca but I think I got ripped off, so I'm stuck with Dbol and winny for this round. If you got deca, stack it with the Dbol, then switch to winny to cut you out and help keep your gains. don't forget clomid......

 

[Goering]

Sound how if you have fear about the needles

The winny wouldn't avoid the water retention of d-ball, because it's estrogen related ... arimidex if would.

Regards.