D-bol & Winny together?

[Nutrient-Nut]

Anyone ever done a cycle of D-bol & Winny together? I'm well aware of the toxicity of these two AAS, but I'm not looking for opinions on what you think about the toxicity. I want to hear from people that have actually done this stack giving their comments on results, etc....positive/negative.

PS - I did a search for this combo, but I would like to hear some more input.

Thanks

NN

 

[manny78]

That would be interesting, especially concerning the strenght. Winny might reduce the water bloat.

 

[Triple J]

exxxcellennt

 

[WARBIRDWS6]

yep did it here too.
wk 1-5 dbol (russian) 35mg ED
wk 1-5 arimidex 1/2 tab ED
wk 5-8 2-3 IP winny ED
gained like 23 lbs and kept about 18 of it. then went on "fake anavar" and sub maintainence calories and T3, and still managed to keep 12 lbs. if i went to clomid or good anavar i'd have kept all 18 lbs. keep calories higher w/ dbol segment, and lower w/ winny segment. i sort of did the opposite and gained too much fat, jumped the calories toward the end when i was not gaining anymore via weight gainer (sugar doesn't mix with me). but i think its a pretty decent combo for a easy type cycle. i'd do the dbol at 50mg next time for 4-5 weeks then zambon winny at 50mg amp ED (oral or inject) for 8 weeks. that would be nice.

 

[Thaibox]

During a cycle with Enanthate and decaa couple years ago, I was going to use D-bol wks 1-4 then winny wks 5-8, but I decided to overlap them for a couple weeks since it seemed logical that they would compliment eachother nicely. Well, on day two my liver shut down. I got sick as fuck and didn't even have the energy to scratch my ass. I stopped both orals and was much better a few days later.

I don't know if it was the mix of them or some other variable that fucked me, but never again for me.

Of course, the winny was IP, so it may have been cyanide or something.

 

[Nutrient-Nut]

bump, need more input

NN

 

[Nutrient-Nut]

^^^ anyone out there ever - use D-bol & Winny (same cycle)?

 

[bebaumax]

^^^ anyone out there ever - use D-bol & Winny (same cycle)?

N-N, I'm running 50mg IP Winny and 20mg Russian D-bol/day right now. Absolutely awesome. Realize I'm on other things, and my cycles 'shift', they don't end, but when I added these two my strength and size went up overnight. In a week my friends (who know me well, and know what goes on) were asking what the hell happened to me and what I'd done. This was the only change I'd made. On my weekend days (non-lifting) I'm only hitting 10mg Dbol. My vascularity is up and "puffiness" (from test) is down in just over a week. So, I'm bigger and appear leaner. It's a pretty awesome stack, my man.
-B

 

[wizardnor]

N-N, I'm running 50mg IP Winny and 20mg Russian D-bol/day right now. Absolutely awesome. Realize I'm on other things, and my cycles 'shift', they don't end, but when I added these two my strength and size went up overnight. In a week my friends (who know me well, and know what goes on) were asking what the hell happened to me and what I'd done. This was the only change I'd made. On my weekend days (non-lifting) I'm only hitting 10mg Dbol. My vascularity is up and "puffiness" (from test) is down in just over a week. So, I'm bigger and appear leaner. It's a pretty awesome stack, my man.
-B

say Bebaumax what your cycle is like? i like to know

 

[bebaumax]

say Bebaumax what your cycle is like? i like to know

Ok, wizardnor, you asked.. Right now (and this has changed in the last couple weeks, but will be what I do through mid-Dec) it is 500mg Test Enanthate/wk, 600mg EQ/wk, 40mg Fina/day, 50mg IP Winny/day, 20mg Dbol/day. I just dropped Durabolin at 400mg/wk after 5 weeks of it. I'll probably be upping my test dose, actually, switching it to cypionate from enanthate in the next few weeks, or by mid-Dec at the latest. I'm going to keep the EQ in there for a good while, as it's going to polish off some weeks of deca that I was on before that. I have everything I've put in me in the last 2 and a half years documented in excel spreadsheets to monitor my progress. I'll also be coming up on some sustanon in the next few months, and I'm going off orals (again) completely after the end of December for atleast 4 to 6 weeks, not sure yet. Unless I get some var and run that.
-B

 

[Spectre]

I did it and will never do it again. I was trying to extend my winny (zambons) be going eod and sprinkling 20mg of dbol across the time. Srength and speed starting climbing then I started to feel like SHIT! I was on all the liver protectants and I got my blood checked again and my liver values were climbing...

The rule of thumb is to only give your liver one toxin at a time to deal with, even though they are both 17AA's. I would say go for it if you monitor you blood bro, but it's a gamble I would only take if I was making money. I'd hate to see a thread about you having problems.

 

[muscleup]

I have suggested this cycle to a friend of mine who can not use injectables do to his wife finding out{LMAO}....I think the issue of toxicity varies from person to person....

 

[bebaumax]

I have suggested this cycle to a friend of mine who can not use injectables do to his wife finding out{LMAO}....I think the issue of toxicity varies from person to person....

Agreed, it does. One major factor is alcohol (and anything else you might consume that's hard on the liver). I do not drink... ever. Regardless of AAS or not. If you decide to use oral AAS, I do not recommend ANY alcohol at all. I'd actually recommend atleast a week without before starting, and 1-3 weeks dry when finished. This is conservative and a bit paranois, but you only get one liver. Now, take that all with the hypocritical grain of salt that my current cycle includes fina, dbol and winny.
-B

 

[Nutrient-Nut]

I think that it could be an excellent stack, yeah it's some strain on the liver, but if you take all the protective liver supplements, don't drink any alcohol at all, don't take any nonfriendly liver meds like Acetaminophen......& as an extra precaution keep your doses reasonable or on the low side for both D-bol and Winny......you may have one of the best oral stacks around for building muscle.

Also, keep the cycle to 6-8 weeks max!

NN

 

[Spectre]

I don't get it? You asked from input and by the end of the thread you talk like an old vet about this stack. I just hope your not talking yourself into something that could be dangerous, that's all bro.. best of intentions.

 

[bebaumax]

I don't get it? You asked from input and by the end of the thread you talk like an old vet about this stack. I just hope your not talking yourself into something that could be dangerous, that's all bro.. best of intentions.

Agreed, I'm here supporting the stack, but with the cautions that I've been doing this a while, guys. If you're unsure, think twice. Make sure to get your blood work done, too. It's best to know as much about your body as you can before you jump into something like this.

Spectre, good to reiterate these things sometimes.
-B

 

[Nutrient-Nut]

I don't get it? You asked from input and by the end of the thread you talk like an old vet about this stack. I just hope your not talking yourself into something that could be dangerous, that's all bro.. best of intentions.

Let me help you understand. I kind of am an old school vet. I started doing steroids at age 18 and at about 20 after two years of 6 cycles, I decided to quit. I quit for 15 years and kept lifting of couse but went the steroid-free way. Over the years, I've kept up with reading on anabolics and at age 35 I decided to return to AAS. I just finished my 7th cycle and I posted this question for my brother, who just finished his 1st cycle. He will not use injectables, so I was just trying to find out some info on a D-bol/Winny stack for his second cycle. I've never done this combo, but I think that it would be a good one for him. At the end of my post I just wanted to draw my conclusions. Now, I'm going to send this posting to my brother.

NN

 

[bebaumax]

Let me help you understand. I kind of am an old school vet. I started doing steroids at age 18 and at about 20 after two years of 6 cycles, I decided to quit. I quit for 15 years and kept lifting of couse but went the steroid-free way. Over the years, I've kept up with reading on anabolics and at age 35 I decided to return to AAS. I just finished my 7th cycle and I posted this question for my brother, who just finished his 1st cycle. He will not use injectables, so I was just trying to find out some info on a D-bol/Winny stack for his second cycle. I've never done this combo, but I think that it would be a good one for him. At the end of my post I just wanted to draw my conclusions. Now, I'm going to send this posting to my brother.

NN

NN, it's all good, man, but do you really think it's wise for your bro to do an all-oral cycle? My comments were made based on the fact that I can keep my gains because I'm loaded on injectables. I can't see 6 weeks of this being very prosperous for you 3 weeks after discontinuation. I'm sure you'd keep some of the benefits, mostly those from the winny, but the strength and most muscle would be lost quickly. Don't ya think?
-B

 

[Spectre]

NN; Just remeber that both myself and Thaibox started to exhibit problems around the two week mark.

Does he have a fear of needle or something? Wife issues? I just can't imagine not beig able to get one shot in a week.

As a side note; I did a two week low dose dbol 10mg off days and 15mg on workout days, in the AM. I also ran slin am and post workout on workout days only with some very nice strength gains and about 2 lbs. Maybe try something like this?

 

[Nutrient-Nut]

I think that the key is to keep the D-bol at a very low dose, I'm talking about 10-15 mg ed with the Winny at 25 mg ed. With these low doses of two C17AA's, I don't think that it would be that hard on the liver. In regard to retention of gains, I think that they would be maximized by keeping the D-bol low and running the Winny with the D-bol at the same time. From this low of a dose of D-bol combined with Winny, I really think that not that much water weight would be gained and one could keep a lot of this. Sure, some strength and weight will be loss after the cycle, but that is common with any bulking drugs. My brother has never done D-bol before and he hasn't done anything other than Winny. His androgen receptors have never really been hit with anything and he is pretty damn big now just from Creatine. I think that this cycle could work wonders for him. He's 6'0" and about 210 now. He is extremely lean and trains his ass off in the gym. Hell, he gained 15 pounds of muscle from a 6 week cycle of winstrol alone. Experimentation is the only true way to find out!

Yes - fear of needles, he's looking for an all-oral cycle.

NN

 

[Spectre]

NN: Looks good... Bust his ass on fear of needles man! Maybe drop a few shots in fron of him, see if you can break him down. Good luck, be safe brother.