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Cypionate vs. Enanthate vs. Sustanon....
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mdd
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from what i understand, i may be wrong, prop is short acting, cyp is longer, but is suppossed to hurt like a bitch.. i will be using one of these two in my upcomming cycle so i am researching them now also.
keep in mind that sust has 4 different tests in it, and cyp and prop are 2 of them
keep in mind that sust has 4 different tests in it, and cyp and prop are 2 of them
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lexus_2001
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prop is shorter acting and cyp is longer. a lot of people will say test is test and it deoesnt matter. i think it varys from person to person as far as whats best. ive done nothing but sust until now. im trying ** cyp at a gram a week, on week 2 and very eager to see what happens- lexus
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nautica
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snobben said:
Testosterone is testosterone is testosterone. They have the same ingrediant. Testosterone. The only difference it the esther which makes the testosterone short acting or long acting. If you keep your blood concentration levels the same by injecting the short acting more frequently and the long acting less frequently than theoretically the results should be the same.
FirstTimeUser0001
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Re: Re: Cypionate vs. Enanthate vs. Sustanon....
Perfect post. That is what I always say. You need to let your injection frequencies decide your test ester for you. For full benefit of Sustanon you should shoot EOD. For Prop it should be ED, and the others can be spaced out quite a bit more.
nautica said:
Perfect post. That is what I always say. You need to let your injection frequencies decide your test ester for you. For full benefit of Sustanon you should shoot EOD. For Prop it should be ED, and the others can be spaced out quite a bit more.
supertrunkz
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Sustanon is a waste of money. It last's too long in your blood, and takes forever to absorb. It's ok if you don't want to get huge, but isn't that the point of using the shit. I can gain 10lbs by using creatine. If you want gains go for the fgaster acting esters like Prop or cyp. They are cheaper and much more effective.
UNKNOWN SOLDIER
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There is a big write up on this in the Search. Test is test but not all test is created equal......refering to the esters.
Sust.......I will never waste my money on it ever again. There is a big write up on this in the Search also.......Sust really is meant to be used ED or EOD.......no thanks........bang for the buck is buy seperate Test EN and Test Prop.......that's what I'm going to do from now on.
Sust.......I will never waste my money on it ever again. There is a big write up on this in the Search also.......Sust really is meant to be used ED or EOD.......no thanks........bang for the buck is buy seperate Test EN and Test Prop.......that's what I'm going to do from now on.
the mechanic
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Thank you Nautica......this question seems to always be on the board in one shape or another.
Which test is best ??..........I feel whatever is available and whatever is the cheapest. Big fan of t-200 in the days when it was all I could find. Now I can get just about anything, and still throw t-200 in at times.
Which test is best ??..........I feel whatever is available and whatever is the cheapest. Big fan of t-200 in the days when it was all I could find. Now I can get just about anything, and still throw t-200 in at times.
supertrunkz
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el cubano said:
Last time i went to cozumel, i took the unavoidable taxi ride. long story short. Bought 100 sust preloads. And like i said. they suck. You can't even argue that Sust works as well as Cyp for mass. If you want the ultimate and are not affraid.... go with Suspension. Not all test is created equal. i have not been posting on this board for long, but i have been using test for 8 years. Sust in all forms...... from all countries ( Durateston for those who say that is something diff from sust) is a waste of money!!! Anyone who tells you different is probably trying to sell it to you.
supertrunkz
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Another point.......
Lets compare prices
10cc's cyp $60
10cc's sust $150
you do the math.
Lets compare prices
10cc's cyp $60
10cc's sust $150
you do the math.
Re: Re: Cypionate vs. Enanthate vs. Sustanon....
I think i've already posted this on everyboard but here goes. Test suspension is the strongest, Why? Because test eneathate at 100mgs is 72mgs of test and 28mgs of enethate ester but test suspension at 100mgs is 100mgs of test. So what does this mean? For one thing test suspension is 28% stronger then enethate. Also it gets into the blood way faster which means gains start faster. Another way to look at it is 1000mgs of test enethate every week is only720mgs of test and 1000mgs of test suspension is 1000mgs of test suspension. In my opinion suspension is superior to all forms of test.
nautica said:
I think i've already posted this on everyboard but here goes. Test suspension is the strongest, Why? Because test eneathate at 100mgs is 72mgs of test and 28mgs of enethate ester but test suspension at 100mgs is 100mgs of test. So what does this mean? For one thing test suspension is 28% stronger then enethate. Also it gets into the blood way faster which means gains start faster. Another way to look at it is 1000mgs of test enethate every week is only720mgs of test and 1000mgs of test suspension is 1000mgs of test suspension. In my opinion suspension is superior to all forms of test.
nautica
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Re: Re: Re: Cypionate vs. Enanthate vs. Sustanon....
I completely agree with that and I understand. I am talking about the actual mg of test in the product not the overall mg on the bottle. If you compare all test mg for mg they are all the same.
And as far a Sus sucking. If you time this so that your blood concentration levels are the same as other test than it does not suck - but it is pretty damn expensive compared to others. Remember that sus has different esthers so that you have a little test up front and more toward the end.
jstrong20 said:
I completely agree with that and I understand. I am talking about the actual mg of test in the product not the overall mg on the bottle. If you compare all test mg for mg they are all the same.
And as far a Sus sucking. If you time this so that your blood concentration levels are the same as other test than it does not suck - but it is pretty damn expensive compared to others. Remember that sus has different esthers so that you have a little test up front and more toward the end.
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supertrunkz said:
My point exactly. Nobody is saying Sust does not make you big......sheeeeeesh everybody knows it does. But at the cost, 10cc of Cyp at $60 and 20cc of Prop for $50. Now tell me Sust is the shit.......I just call it..............shit.
jellyman01
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susy dont get ya huge?....then the 40 lbs i gained on 600mgs/wk 1-10 was al imagination huh?
supertrunkz said:
ALthough I don't have it on hand right now, I know there is a study comparing the anabolism imparted by daily injections of testosterone propionate vs suspension(a few other esters were included, but suspension imparted the least anabolism). The propionate imposed significantly more anabolism than the suspension. Reasoning agrees since base test has a very very short half life in the blood stream, and it probably produces a very short lived spike in test levels, which flooded the blood stream with more than your body can use at one time, much of it going to waste due to the short half life. Having an ester attached to slow down the dispersal of biologically active test in the body allows test levels to be regulated to a USEABLE level and maintain that level for an extended period of time. Now, if they had divided the suspension shots into 3-8 doses throughout the day, but who in their right mind would want to do that, when you can use propionate, or other esterfied tests with superior results.
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The Iron Game
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More than one year on we are still having the same conversations on a daily basis.
Sust, Enanthate, Cypionate in Europe are all the same price. If someone is paying only 60 for enanthate or cyp and 150 for sust then they are getting it where the sun dont shine
Sust does work, Enanthate works, Cypionate works, Propionate works, Suspension works, Phenlypropionate works. Test is Test is Test is Test......................
Sust, Enanthate, Cypionate in Europe are all the same price. If someone is paying only 60 for enanthate or cyp and 150 for sust then they are getting it where the sun dont shine
Sust does work, Enanthate works, Cypionate works, Propionate works, Suspension works, Phenlypropionate works. Test is Test is Test is Test......................
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Sorry.......still don't agree, sorry. Test may be test but not all are equal. Sust is about $8 per cc to me. 10 cc is about $80.....I really don't know where that guy's $150 came from, but it still don't matter. Not one person on this board says Sust doesn't work.......where do you guys read that? Get an education. But here is where hurts itself.......it really does have to ED or EOD........no thanks.....that's where the cost kills the cycle. If you are taking less than a gram of that a week.......hehehe ahhhhhh fuck it, this is talked about to much.
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Hum... Considering I went from a flabby 180 to a lean 205 on sust and some anadrols I dont know how you can say that sust dosent work. I did a front load of Anadrols for 2 weeks and then stoped them in the middle of my cycle. BTW its only been about a month and 2 weeks. and the sust is still in my system since my last injection. Im hope`n to gain another 10 with in the next 3-4 weeks.
I think diffrent things work diffrently on people.
I enjoyed my sust cycle. Plus I only had to inject every 3rd day.
The anadrols bloated me but drinking water all day all the time helped the bloating go down. I figure Im a bit bloated from the sus but not much if any. Im waitting about a month and then im going to start a cycle of Sust and Fina. The sust for 8 weeks and then start the fina into my second week of sust. Im thinking of stacking some winstrol but im in no hurry to get cut. Winter is come`n and bulking season is around the corner.
Test is test.. but some test made by certain company's arnt as good.
It all depends on the person's receptors and what they react best to.
My opinion to anyone that has done Sust and did injection's every other day or every day and didn't get any results..
sorry but you must have got ripped off cause that much sust in your system is wayyy to much. I took 1cc every 3rd day.
Lifeted big
Ate big
and slept big...
now im getting prety big.. =)
GEAR WONT DO SQUAT IF YOUR NOT EATTING PROPER AND LIFTING ON A REGULAR BASIS..
bye bye..
Hum... Considering I went from a flabby 180 to a lean 205 on sust and some anadrols I dont know how you can say that sust dosent work. I did a front load of Anadrols for 2 weeks and then stoped them in the middle of my cycle. BTW its only been about a month and 2 weeks. and the sust is still in my system since my last injection. Im hope`n to gain another 10 with in the next 3-4 weeks.
I think diffrent things work diffrently on people.
I enjoyed my sust cycle. Plus I only had to inject every 3rd day.
The anadrols bloated me but drinking water all day all the time helped the bloating go down. I figure Im a bit bloated from the sus but not much if any. Im waitting about a month and then im going to start a cycle of Sust and Fina. The sust for 8 weeks and then start the fina into my second week of sust. Im thinking of stacking some winstrol but im in no hurry to get cut. Winter is come`n and bulking season is around the corner.
Test is test.. but some test made by certain company's arnt as good.
It all depends on the person's receptors and what they react best to.
My opinion to anyone that has done Sust and did injection's every other day or every day and didn't get any results..
sorry but you must have got ripped off cause that much sust in your system is wayyy to much. I took 1cc every 3rd day.
Lifeted big
Ate big
and slept big...
now im getting prety big.. =)
GEAR WONT DO SQUAT IF YOUR NOT EATTING PROPER AND LIFTING ON A REGULAR BASIS..
bye bye..
All test the same? Well, not quite...
The ester also determines the total weight of the test in the mix. A lighter (shorter) ester vs a heavier (longer) ester in equal 100 mg mixes means the lighter ester will have more test and less ester. Make sense. Cypionate vs Enanthate? Both stay with you for 3-4 weeks, so be ready to ride out any negative side effects if you've not used them before... Personally I prefer the longer lasting esters like these... I believe cyp has a molecular weight of 8, while enan is 7 - meaning more test in enan... Also, personally, I'd rather inject 3-4 mls once a week rather than 1 ml every couple days...
The ester also determines the total weight of the test in the mix. A lighter (shorter) ester vs a heavier (longer) ester in equal 100 mg mixes means the lighter ester will have more test and less ester. Make sense. Cypionate vs Enanthate? Both stay with you for 3-4 weeks, so be ready to ride out any negative side effects if you've not used them before... Personally I prefer the longer lasting esters like these... I believe cyp has a molecular weight of 8, while enan is 7 - meaning more test in enan... Also, personally, I'd rather inject 3-4 mls once a week rather than 1 ml every couple days...
nautica said:
Yes.
And take into consideration different brands and your individual reaction, which you'll only learn about through experience.
I'm a fan of farmak test p and LSP c for cycles.
dont knwo where you guys get ur sustanon. I got it for about bucks an amp, but i can get andropen 275 which is basically the same as sustanon for bucks for 10 mls.. first cycle i did sust 500mg/week (2 shots a week) and wow.. now i am trying andropen b/c it is same and i prefer BD, they are painless.. i do agree suspension is the bomb.. and stacked with tren.. YAHOOOO
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