cypionate cycle??? Please tear into.. Virgin cycler

[dmginc00]

For anyone who can help, I originally planned on taking an 8 week test cyp/TA cycle using armidex and clomid. I had originally outlined using 1000 mg frontload of cyp and 150 mg TA on day one and then using 75 mg of TA ED and 500mg Cyp/week. My question is, how should I use the cypionate to keep my blood levels as constant as possible? I know the half life is 5-6 days so does that mean I would inject the 500 mg/week every 7th day or every fifth day? I realize fluctuations in blood levels cause more sides so I am trying to avoid taht. I am also going to run clomid throughout (@200 mg first day, 100 next day and then 50 mg ED after) and the arimidex at .5 mg EOD. Is this adequate also or too much for the amoutn of test I am taking. Please feel free to hack the cycle or whatever you would like to change to better assist me. Thanks

 

[johnny tougharms]

there is no need to run the clomid throughout...start it 3 weeks after your last shot of cyp....shoot the cyp mon and thur. this will give you a constant dose throughout....other than that it looks good.....have fun

 

[Intramuscular]

Is this your first cycle? If so, then you really don't need to go so high on the doses. Just my $.02

Intra

What are your stats?

 

[dmginc00]

Thx for the replies so far fellas! Ok, my stats area s follows: I am all natural, with never taking ANYTHING other than hydroxycut and MRPS and multivitamins. I am 5'11, 22 yrs old, 215lbs @8%bfat. I have done two contests and feel as if I am kinda approaching my genetic peak (w/in around 7 lbs or so). I am very vascular and diet basically impeccably. I have been researching steroids a whole lot and have heard that for my size those dosages wouldn't be too much (aside form the frontloading). Personally, I don't want everyone to know that I am using and would like somewhat gradual gains. If you feel I need lower dosages please let me know. I don't want to fuck myself up

Thanks again

 

[BigAndy69]

You sound like a smart guy, I don't understand why you've been mislead like this.

You are overdoing it BIGTIME. Here's a great cycle for you: 500mg of Cyp every week for 8-10 weeks. Clomid therapy 2 weeks after your last shot, 300mg the first day, 100mg for 10days, 50mg for 10days.

Arimidex, 0.5mg ED 2-3 days before cycle and until your last dose of Clomid. Clen, 2 weeks with the clomid.

I've got a friend right now who's 230lbs at 12% BF and he's on 375mg of test a week.

 

[BigAndy69]

As far as blood levels, shot 250mg Every 4 days.

 

[Old Guy]

Is this your first cycle? If so, then you really don't need to go so high on the doses. Just my $.02

I agree.
Also IMO if you frontload 1000mg you are wasting it.

 

[HugeWannabe]

You sound like a smart guy, I don't understand why you've been mislead like this.

You are overdoing it BIGTIME. Here's a great cycle for you: 500mg of Cyp every week for 8-10 weeks. Clomid therapy 2 weeks after your last shot, 300mg the first day, 100mg for 10days, 50mg for 10days.

Arimidex, 0.5mg ED 2-3 days before cycle and until your last dose of Clomid. Clen, 2 weeks with the clomid.

I've got a friend right now who's 230lbs at 12% BF and he's on 375mg of test a week.

Listen to this, THIS GUY KNOWS, dont overdo it, especially with your training and perfect diet, you will do awesome off of regular moderate doses! Good luck and keep us posted!

 

[DTOX]

Like BigAndy said, you don't even need 500mg/wk let alone 1g frontload!

250mg every 4 days would work out great.

It's your first cycle -- you don't need big dosages.

 

[dmginc00]

Wow, it sounds like I have been mislead. It seems as if the people or info that I was recieving didn't hear me when I said I didn't want the whole free world to knowthat I was juicing. With that said, I am aiming to do this cycle as a cutting cycle of sorts. That was teh reason for the TA, to keep me hard. Hopefully teh arimidex will be enough to keep the water off and keep me lean. So then as it stands, it sounds like 250 mg cyp every monday and thursday for 6 weeks. I woudl still like to switch to the virimone for the last two weeks. So, does that mean I have to inject the prop ED @ 100 mg, skipping like wed and sunday. What does this switch do to the clomid therapy. Would I start the clomid maybe 3 days after the last prop shot? Also, you mentioned to add clen? Should I do that for 2 on 2 off. It is summertime afterall fellas and i do want to look good. Thanks for all the info!!!! You've helped out a lot

 

[BigAndy69]

Well switching esters, is not that easy, I would do this: 6 weeks at 250mg of Cypionate E4d (500 a week) then switch to 350mg(only this much because the cyp is still in your system) of Prop a week for 2 weeks. (100mg EOD) then if you would like you can either go straight to clomid after 3-5 days or run another 2 weeks at 525mg a week (150mg of Prop EOD) and then the clomid

 

[dmginc00]

Hey andy, thanks a lot dude. I am doing this cycle for cutting and adding some quality LBM. I realize test has a tendency to cause water retention, especialy with CYp and eth. Will the arimidex do the job in keeping off the water ay think? Also, how long till I feel the effects of the cyp, being as its a long acting ester? Also, wha would be the optimal dosage of clen to take. 2 weeks on 2 off, work up to like 4 pills a day? Thanks again

 

[BigAndy69]

If you have the real arimidex, 0.5mg is going to be more than enough; If you have a bootleg version, it's hard to tell, but your doses should be between 0.5mg-1mg ED.

Prop and test in general will harden you up like you will not beleive.

Cyp? You feel the effects right away, but it takes a couple of weeks to "kick" in.

Clen? Here's an exerpt from my clen Faq:


Taurine must be used with Clen at 3-5g daily. Clenbuterol depletes taurine levels in the liver
which stops the conversion of T4 into T4 in the liver. Use Taurine to avoid a rebound and
muscle cramps.

Most users that report bad side effects and discontinue use are those who use high doses right
at the start of the cycle. The worst side effects occur within the first 3-4 days of use.

A first time user should not exceed 40mcg the first day. Increase by one tab until the side
effects are not tolerable

Example of a first cycle:

Day1: 20mcg
Day2: 40mcg
Day3: 60mcg
Day4: 80mcg
Day5: 80mcg(Note: Increase the dose only when the side effects are tolerable)
Day6-Day12: 100mcg
Day13: 80 mcg (Tapering is not necessary, but it helps some users get back to normal
gradually)
Day14: 60 mcgs
Day15: off
Day16: off
Day 17: ECA/ NYC stack

Example of a second cycle:

Day1: 60mcg
Day2: 80mcg
Day3: 80mcg
Day4: 100mcg
Day5: 100mcg
Day6-Day12: 120mcg
Day13: 100 mcg
Day14: 80 mcgs
Day15: off
Day16: off
Day 17: ECA/ NYC stack

Do not take Clen Past 4pm and drink plenty of water 1.5-2 gallons a day

 

[dmginc00]

Hey Andy, what kinda prices can I expect to pay for the clen? Which brand is best? Is it like $12/30 tabs as bill roberts says for say spiropent. Can it be got for cheaper and if so which brand is the best for the buck? Drop me an email if you want or here would be fine too.


Thanks once again

 

[BigAndy69]

Ventipulmin is your best bet, it's a 355ml, 25mcg/ml product easily found in Canada, unfortunately, it's quite a large product to ship to the us and many sources don't anymore . In general Mexican Clen sucks ass, so you should try to find Bulgarian spiropent, and if it gets pricy, buy it for only 2 weeks post cycle

 

[HugeWannabe]

Ventipulmin is your best bet, it's a 355ml, 25mcg/ml product easily found in Canada, unfortunately, it's quite a large product to ship to the us and many sources don't anymore . In general Mexican Clen sucks ass, so you should try to find Bulgarian spiropent, and if it gets pricy, buy it for only 2 weeks post cycle

I just got that Venti stuff, It is a big bottle! I am running the first cycle for clen posted above (beginner one) I am going to run it twice in my cycle consecutively, should I taper up and down and then back up and down or just make the whole thing longer?