Cyle Question

[sven78]

Hi,

I'ev been doing a lot of research and still have a few questions remaining that I hope can be answered. I am 6ft, 215 lbs, 15% BF and have been working out for about 2 years now. I do strength training along with 30 minutes of cardio about 5 days a week. I have a very good diet. I have been looking to cut down and have a friend who is a body builder. He gave me some gear to use and put me on this cycle for 5 weeks:
Winstrol: 100mg/day (oral)
Clenbuterol: 16 mcg/day
Dbol: 30 mg/day (oral)

I questioned the mix of two 17A compounds and asked about the effects on my liver and he said for that short time it would be okay. Most of the research i have (strictly websites) done shows that Dbol and Winnie combined will give a gain in lean mass while helping burn the fat. I have also read that the Winnie and Clen will help with the estrogen from Dbol. Is this true? I do not want gyno so I am still a bit concerned. I have done just Winstrol before, (50 mg/day for 6 weeks), years ago, and am wondering if I should just stick to that and Clen this time and not take the Dbol.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated as the web gives so much conflicting information it's tough to weed out the good from bad.

Thanks

 

[Rage-Of-Sparta]

I wouldnt do dbol if youre trying to cut but i guess you can if your diet is spot on and u have AIs on hand. whats your age and diet look like? Leaning down is just simply tapering your calories down

 

[sven78]

I wouldnt do dbol if youre trying to cut but i guess you can if your diet is spot on and u have AIs on hand. whats your age and diet look like? Leaning down is just simply tapering your calories down

I'm 29 and I don't have any AI's on hand, I was told the Winstrol would help with this. By cut, i am looking to burn some fat while gaining some lean mass. My diet is about 4-5 grams of carbs per Kg of body mass, 2-3 grams protein per Kg and the rest in fat. I bring in about 2500-300 calories per day and keep the sodium and sugar intake very low. I forgot to mention that on top of the cardio, I am also active in sports and walk 5-10 Km per day at work.

My biggest concern is if the dose I was told is too high and if I should cut the Dbol out altogether. I just spoke with my friend again and he insists this is a popular cycle for lean mass and because I am not doing high doses and it's a short period I will not suffer ill effects. I am still elary on this based on what I have read.

 

[fallow54]

I'd personally never run an oral only cycle, especially two at once, I've always been of the mindset if you're afraid to inject you're not ready for steroids.

I'd say possibly save them for when you can get a real cycle going with PCT and everything.

Oh and don't do clen, ever, nasty stuff.

 

[sven78]

What's wrong with clen?

 

[littleb]

I dont like it at all, plus you do know that you will be shut down do you have a pct in place? I would rather see you on long acting test for 8-12 weeks with a solid pct..... Too many folks fail to realize that test can be used to bulk or to cut depending on diet,, so you could shed body fat add some muscle and be easier on your liver at the same time.......

 

[sven78]

I do not have a PCT in place yet, haven't really started anything. Just doing as much research as I can before I do this. I did Winstrol on it's own in 2003 and liked the results. Might just do that again. Was more concerned about the dosages I was told to take before I did this. What did you mean by I do know that I will be shut down?

Thanks for all the help

 

[littleb]

I do not have a PCT in place yet, haven't really started anything. Just doing as much research as I can before I do this. I did Winstrol on it's own in 2003 and liked the results. Might just do that again. Was more concerned about the dosages I was told to take before I did this. What did you mean by I do know that I will be shut down?

Thanks for all the help

your own test production will be shut down, I wanted to make sure you knew that and had a pct in place otherwise most of your gains would be lost in the time after you stop your cycle and your body re- regulates and starts makeing its own test... not to mention the excess test converting to estro..

 

[sweed]

why are you on AS after only 2 years of lifting?? to cut. diet and cardio, then bulk. repeat for at leat 3 more years and you're good for a real first cycle.

 

[sven78]

Gotcha, yeah, I knew that much about the Dbol. Since Winnie does not aromatize, I do not need a PCT for it if I do just it at 100mg per day? Guess I need to do a bit more research, just tough because there are too many different sources. Same thing when I talk to people in person.