Cycling masteron for how long?

[RacaTwister]

hey fellas!
If you're running Test E 500mg/week for 12 weeks and want to stack Masteron E, when and for how long would you guys run Masteron E? The entire cycle through, halfway or at the end?
Given your goals would be to put on lean mass and burn some fat and this was your first cycle.


Stats:
23yrs
191cm
88 kg
Been working out for roughly 2-3 years.


And how about Clomid(25/12,5/12,5/12,5), Arimidex and Unleashed/post cycle as PCT starting 2 weeks after last pin?

 

[blue_steel74]

hey fellas!
If you're running Test E 500mg/week for 12 weeks and want to stack Masteron E, when and for how long would you guys run Masteron E? The entire cycle through, halfway or at the end?
Given your goals would be to put on lean mass and burn some fat and this was your first cycle.


Stats:
23yrs
191cm
88 kg
Been working out for roughly 2-3 years.


And how about Clomid(25/25/12,5/12,5), Arimidex and Unleashed/post cycle as PCT starting 2 weeks after last pin?

Run it all the way through at 500-600/week

 

[dylangemelli]

whats your body fat at man? if its too high then there is absolutely no point in running masteron

 

[RacaTwister]

whats your body fat at man? if its too high then there is absolutely no point in running masteron

I'm naturally a very lean guy so I know its low but just how low I don't know. I'd love to measure it in a hydrostatic underwater tank but who wouldn't want that. Other than that I don't know of any equally accurate procedure to measure it.

 

[blue_steel74]

I'm naturally a very lean guy so I know its low but just how low I don't know. I'd love to measure it in a hydrostatic underwater tank but who wouldn't want that. Other than that I don't know of any equally accurate procedure to measure it.

Skin calipers on a jackson pollock 7 site formula, ive found to be pretty accurate and works grear for me

 

[dylangemelli]

you should try to figure it out or post a pic so we can give you an idea...

 

[RacaTwister]

you should try to figure it out or post a pic so we can give you an idea...

This one is a month or so old.

 

[blue_steel74]

I think youll be fine to run it. But from personal experience id run it at 600/week if possible

 

[stevesmi]

your body fat is low but you do not have very much muscle mass on your frame.

need to hit the weight room way harder before worrying about steroids if you want to put on mass. my fear with you is that you will make some decent gains on cycle, then it will quickly dissapear when you come off. you have that ecto type body where your enemy is your metabolism, and I do not see you building major muscle mass until you up your lifts and start eating way more.

this is my honest assessment.. if you build yourself up a nice base BEFORE juicing you will have so much more long term success it will be sick

I would strongly recommend 5X5 type lifting.. or even 5X4 and go HEAVY. also do not ignore your legs, lots of guys in your shoes worry about their abs more than their legs. that is a huge mistake

 

[dylangemelli]

your body fat is low but you do not have very much muscle mass on your frame.

need to hit the weight room way harder before worrying about steroids if you want to put on mass. my fear with you is that you will make some decent gains on cycle, then it will quickly dissapear when you come off. you have that ecto type body where your enemy is your metabolism, and I do not see you building major muscle mass until you up your lifts and start eating way more.

this is my honest assessment.. if you build yourself up a nice base BEFORE juicing you will have so much more long term success it will be sick

I would strongly recommend 5X5 type lifting.. or even 5X4 and go HEAVY. also do not ignore your legs, lots of guys in your shoes worry about their abs more than their legs. that is a huge mistake

^^^^^^^^^ this is great advice... you could put on some more size naturally bro... you don't want to waste a cycle because your body wasn't ready for it... you are at a body fat where you could take masteron but i would put in some more time natty first bro... I want you to get the most you can out of all of this...

 

[blue_steel74]

your body fat is low but you do not have very much muscle mass on your frame.

need to hit the weight room way harder before worrying about steroids if you want to put on mass. my fear with you is that you will make some decent gains on cycle, then it will quickly dissapear when you come off. you have that ecto type body where your enemy is your metabolism, and I do not see you building major muscle mass until you up your lifts and start eating way more.

this is my honest assessment.. if you build yourself up a nice base BEFORE juicing you will have so much more long term success it will be sick

I would strongly recommend 5X5 type lifting.. or even 5X4 and go HEAVY. also do not ignore your legs, lots of guys in your shoes worry about their abs more than their legs. that is a huge mistake

I agree with Steve on this actually. I was sayin that ur bodyfat is low enough, but Steves right abt gettin some more mass on you first

 

[Power36]

Yea you look like a skinny kid....5x5 program with squats, deads, bench, rows, weighted chins, RDLs, lunges, overhead press, jerks, push press, clean variations....drink a gallon of milk a day and eat your ass off....probably still look great with abs and put on mass without worrying with the kind of genetics it looks like you might have.

 

[RacaTwister]

your body fat is low but you do not have very much muscle mass on your frame.

need to hit the weight room way harder before worrying about steroids if you want to put on mass. my fear with you is that you will make some decent gains on cycle, then it will quickly dissapear when you come off. you have that ecto type body where your enemy is your metabolism, and I do not see you building major muscle mass until you up your lifts and start eating way more.

this is my honest assessment.. if you build yourself up a nice base BEFORE juicing you will have so much more long term success it will be sick

I would strongly recommend 5X5 type lifting.. or even 5X4 and go HEAVY. also do not ignore your legs, lots of guys in your shoes worry about their abs more than their legs. that is a huge mistake

Appreciate the help bro! I agree with you and I know you know your shit so I'll consider holding with the juice for a while. That also feels like a good idea right now since I quit my fucking job today and juice ain't cheap 'round here.

Legs are a big part of my workout, I do them alone one day per week. I just hate the look of guys with ripped upper body but no legs. Plus since it helps build the rest of the body with the increased testosterone. But man am I disappointed...been researching and lookin' forward to my first cycle for 2 months now.

 

[RacaTwister]

^^^^^^^^^ this is great advice... you could put on some more size naturally bro... you don't want to waste a cycle because your body wasn't ready for it... you are at a body fat where you could take masteron but i would put in some more time natty first bro... I want you to get the most you can out of all of this...

At what bf % would u say I was?

 

[Power36]

Dont worry about what BF% you are, you look leaner than most and what most of America would kill to have Bf% wise! Just train your nuts off and eat big and I am betting you will stay fairly lean.

Train your legs at least twice a week. You want a surge in natural Test and GH? Hit squats, deads, and power cleans like your life depends on it 2-3 times a week... There are plenty of power and olympic lifters who look great (not the heavyweight divisions they are often chub looking) who have well developed arms, traps, you name it without ever touching a machine or isolation movement.

 

[blue_steel74]

Dont worry about what BF% you are, you look leaner than most and what most of America would kill to have Bf% wise! Just train your nuts off and eat big and I am betting you will stay fairly lean.

Train your legs at least twice a week. You want a surge in natural Test and GH? Hit squats, deads, and power cleans like your life depends on it 2-3 times a week... There are plenty of power and olympic lifters who look great (not the heavyweight divisions they are often chub looking) who have well developed arms, traps, you name it without ever touching a machine or isolation movement.

I dont agree with this completely. He doesnt need to deadlift and squat more than once a week. Legs twice, maybe. But one day should be alot of volume and the other should be heavy lifts

 

[dylangemelli]

if you want to gain size you need to train in the hypertrophy stage of training... sets should be 85% of your max 8-10 reps every set... that's how you get the most size...

as far as your body fat... its hard to be as accurate as i would like because its not a straight on picture but by looking at the angle you gave, i would say about 7.5 - 8 % but i need a better picture... you are under 10%, I am sure of that... but its hard for be to be as accurate as I would like with the provided pic

 

[pitbulllock]

I have to agree with what has been said up above, you need to put on more size natty your body will thank you in the long run.

 

[Power36]

I dont agree with this completely. He doesnt need to deadlift and squat more than once a week. Legs twice, maybe. But one day should be alot of volume and the other should be heavy lifts

How are you training legs if you dont squat or deadlift? Isolation stuff? Machines? haha...

You want wheels and overall mass? You want to increase test and GH? Ditch machines and isolation movements....start each lift on a platform doing olympic lifts and in a rack doing front squats, back squats, overhead squats, box squats, chain squats, sumo deads, conventional deads, etc... Easily two days a week doing full body/legs this sort of way...

 

[stevesmi]

^^^ don't forget cleans as well and i'm talking deep cleans where your ass goes low to the ground. perhaps the most under utilized leg lift out there.

 

[blue_steel74]

How are you training legs if you dont squat or deadlift? Isolation stuff? Machines? haha...

You want wheels and overall mass? You want to increase test and GH? Ditch machines and isolation movements....start each lift on a platform doing olympic lifts and in a rack doing front squats, back squats, overhead squats, box squats, chain squats, sumo deads, conventional deads, etc... Easily two days a week doing full body/legs this sort of way...

If youll read my post carefully, i said that he doesnt need to squat or dead more than ONCE A WEEK. And if hes gonna hit legs twice a week, he should make one day a volume day. I never said he shouldnt squat or dead

 

[stevesmi]

^^^ no controversy here guys he mis-understood what you wrote.

 

[Power36]

^^^ don't forget cleans as well and i'm talking deep cleans where your ass goes low to the ground. perhaps the most under utilized leg lift out there.

Agreed. Full squat cleans are a beautiful thing. Just did my 8x2 yesterday with 120kg. I love hang cleans too.

 

[Power36]

If youll read my post carefully, i said that he doesnt need to squat or dead more than ONCE A WEEK. And if hes gonna hit legs twice a week, he should make one day a volume day. I never said he shouldnt squat or dead

Forgive me. I thought you meant do legs twice a week and only one day of squats or deads, me assuming (making an ass out of me ) that the other day you would suggest isolation type stuff...

Do what works for you, but someone who needs mass and wants to pump up the hormones, the body is plenty capable of 2-3 days a week of full body and leg days....90% of Division One collegiate athletes are cleaning, squatting, and deadlifting 2 days a week in addition to practices and sprint and agility work, conditioning, etc....the body can handle it

Again sorry for the misunderstanding..Im not into the cyber battling thing

 

[RickRock13]

your body fat is low but you do not have very much muscle mass on your frame.

need to hit the weight room way harder before worrying about steroids if you want to put on mass. my fear with you is that you will make some decent gains on cycle, then it will quickly dissapear when you come off. you have that ecto type body where your enemy is your metabolism, and I do not see you building major muscle mass until you up your lifts and start eating way more.

this is my honest assessment.. if you build yourself up a nice base BEFORE juicing you will have so much more long term success it will be sick

I would strongly recommend 5X5 type lifting.. or even 5X4 and go HEAVY. also do not ignore your legs, lots of guys in your shoes worry about their abs more than their legs. that is a huge mistake

I agree completely with Steve. A solid foundation is what you need before cycling. You should be able to add a fair amount of mass naturally with the right diet and training.

Prove to yourself that you can build and keep muscle before jumping on the AAS

 

[blue_steel74]

Forgive me. I thought you meant do legs twice a week and only one day of squats or deads, me assuming (making an ass out of me ) that the other day you would suggest isolation type stuff...

Do what works for you, but someone who needs mass and wants to pump up the hormones, the body is plenty capable of 2-3 days a week of full body and leg days....90% of Division One collegiate athletes are cleaning, squatting, and deadlifting 2 days a week in addition to practices and sprint and agility work, conditioning, etc....the body can handle it

Again sorry for the misunderstanding..Im not into the cyber battling thing

Its all good man. No hard feelings here either

 

[RacaTwister]

I agree completely with Steve. A solid foundation is what you need before cycling. You should be able to add a fair amount of mass naturally with the right diet and training.

Prove to yourself that you can build and keep muscle before jumping on the AAS

I'm with you, bro. I like the thought of staying natural as far as possible and I know everything is possible. I'm proud I've come as far as I have naturally (1 1/2 years ago I weighed 75kg, now 86kg, around 11kg(24lbs) heavier) and I'm still at the same body fat %.

Each time I watch videos of Steve Reeves I always change my mind(during the duration of the video at least haha) about doing steroids. Even though I'm still very lean I consider it half-decent progress as my diet hasn't been perfectly on point throughout that time due to working in the middle east for a while.

But at the moment I work out 5-6 days per week and I eat shitloads and I do get good gains but as my current life is more of less orbiting around training and diet, I've gotten greedy, I guess. I want more bang for the buck, if you understand what I mean.

Look, I'm not a guy who thinks I can just juice myself up and magically will look like Coleman's swedish white doppelganger. I know it needs to be just the nitrous oxide tank on an already fast Lamborghini engine to fulfill any purpose.

But my life motto have always been to try anything once and the cycle I'm considering isn't exactly heavy doses of Tren or Deca so I'm not expect nor aiming for big change right now. Just to do one cycle, see how I feel about it, if it feels good I'll keep going naturally as I was up until now, until I'm at a stage where it's more rational and then maybe start for real.

Does this make sense or is this a stupid mindset?

 

[Power36]

No one does one cycle.... and I had to get on HRT for medical reasons, but now that Ive hit a few blasts, I cant imagine hitting a cycle or two a year for another decade or so....just for the hell of it, its fun...so I wouldnt kid yourself you can have one piece of candy and go back to your bland diet with no desserts after this