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Francisco d'Anconia

Francisco d'Anconia

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Ok here is the full cycle. But before show the cycle, I'm a little confused on whether I need Nolvadex, Priveron, Clomid, Anastrozol (armidex), or Dostinex.

I've read through a million posts and dissected dozens of sites but everyone says something different.

I do not care about temporary limp dick, I'm taking a break from women and I'll be alright for a couple months.

Now with that out of the way, my main concern is gyno and puffiness.

Some people will say that I need Nolvadex to keep my estrogen levels low without completely removing all estrogen while others will say I need to go with the Anastrozol (Armidex) to be completely safe becuase it blocks the estrogen from forming.

Still others prefer Dostinex for its Dopamine increasing properties and sexual enhancement. Then, finally some people say I need Clomid, while others say my cycles a joke, and I dont need it at all.

So whats the deal?

The Cycle:
Weeks 1-8
250mg Sust
250mg Deca
40mg Oxadronalone ED
Weeks 4-8
Armidex .25 ED
Weeks 5-8
Nolvadex 30mg a day
Week 8
Clomid 100md day
Weeks 9-10
Nolvadex 20mg a day
Week 9
Clomid 50mg day
Week 10
Clomid 25mg day

Previous Discussion on the Topic:
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/anabolic-steroids/633173-first-cycle-post8635289.html#post8635289
 
is this a first cycle, 2nd 3rd, etc?
we need your stats also. height , weight, bf %, training history,diet, etc.
if a first and you meet our criteria, sust is all you will need. there is a pct test recovery stack to take with have been proven to work.
hope this helps !
 
Heya mate go check out your other post i just answered as much in that as i could .

Brad.
 
What the hell? How do you expect us to answer that, theres not enough info, Just like going to the Dr we need your Body weight, Diet, Training history ,Body fat ratio.And age is a major plus!


RADAR

(Elite Mentor)
 
RADAR said:
What the hell? How do you expect us to answer that, theres not enough info, Just like going to the Dr we need your Body weight, Diet, Training history ,Body fat ratio.And age is a major plus!


RADAR

(Elite Mentor)
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Age 28
Weight 175
Height 5'11''
BF% 10%
Diet (ratios stay roughly the same each day):
Breakfast: 75g Oatmeal, 6 Eggs
Snack: Whey Shake 48g protien
Lunch: 2 chicken breast, 1 cup brown rice, 1 cup black beans
Snack: Protien Bar (Myoplex)
Dinner: Steak, Fish, Or Chicken & Veggies (no carbs at night)
Late Snack (if Hungry): Cottage Cheese

Supplements:
Prolabs Creatine
Prolabs Glutamine
Dexatrose / Mix
No-Explode before workouts (getting kind of burnt on this)
Omega -3's
Calcium
Multivitamin
 
commarts said:
Ok here is the full cycle. But before show the cycle, I'm a little confused on whether I need Nolvadex, Priveron, Clomid, Anastrozol (armidex), or Dostinex.

I've read through a million posts and dissected dozens of sites but everyone says something different.

I do not care about temporary limp dick, I'm taking a break from women and I'll be alright for a couple months.

Now with that out of the way, my main concern is gyno and puffiness.

Some people will say that I need Nolvadex to keep my estrogen levels low without completely removing all estrogen while others will say I need to go with the Anastrozol (Armidex) to be completely safe becuase it blocks the estrogen from forming.

Still others prefer Dostinex for its Dopamine increasing properties and sexual enhancement. Then, finally some people say I need Clomid, while others say my cycles a joke, and I dont need it at all.

So whats the deal?

The Cycle:
Weeks 1-8
250mg Sust
250mg Deca
40mg Oxadronalone ED
Weeks 4-8
Armidex .25 ED
Weeks 5-8
Nolvadex 30mg a day
Week 8
Clomid 100md day
Weeks 9-10
Nolvadex 20mg a day
Week 9
Clomid 50mg day
Week 10
Clomid 25mg day

Previous Discussion on the Topic:
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/anabolic-steroids/633173-first-cycle-post8635289.html#post8635289
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this is a mess... :( ill be back later if nobody helps u
 
commarts said:
Ok here is the full cycle. But before show the cycle, I'm a little confused on whether I need Nolvadex, Priveron, Clomid, Anastrozol (armidex), or Dostinex.

I've read through a million posts and dissected dozens of sites but everyone says something different.

I do not care about temporary limp dick, I'm taking a break from women and I'll be alright for a couple months.

Now with that out of the way, my main concern is gyno and puffiness.

Some people will say that I need Nolvadex to keep my estrogen levels low without completely removing all estrogen while others will say I need to go with the Anastrozol (Armidex) to be completely safe becuase it blocks the estrogen from forming.

Still others prefer Dostinex for its Dopamine increasing properties and sexual enhancement. Then, finally some people say I need Clomid, while others say my cycles a joke, and I dont need it at all.

So whats the deal?

The Cycle:
Weeks 1-8
250mg Sust
250mg Deca
40mg Oxadronalone ED
Weeks 4-8
Armidex .25 ED
Weeks 5-8
Nolvadex 30mg a day
Week 8
Clomid 100md day
Weeks 9-10
Nolvadex 20mg a day
Week 9
Clomid 50mg day
Week 10
Clomid 25mg day

Previous Discussion on the Topic:
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/anabolic-steroids/633173-first-cycle-post8635289.html#post8635289
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How many cycles have you done, if this is your first, i reccommend Test @ 500 wk or you can do dbol at 20 mgs wk
do not mix on a first cycle as if you get sides you won't know which compounds is causing it!
And Have all accillaries on had before you start, and PCT also-----Fail to plan=plan to fail
RADAR

(ELITE MENTOR)
 
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commarts said:
Ok here is the full cycle. But before show the cycle, I'm a little confused on whether I need Nolvadex, Priveron, Clomid, Anastrozol (armidex), or Dostinex.

I've read through a million posts and dissected dozens of sites but everyone says something different.

I do not care about temporary limp dick, I'm taking a break from women and I'll be alright for a couple months.

Now with that out of the way, my main concern is gyno and puffiness.

Some people will say that I need Nolvadex to keep my estrogen levels low without completely removing all estrogen while others will say I need to go with the Anastrozol (Armidex) to be completely safe becuase it blocks the estrogen from forming.

Still others prefer Dostinex for its Dopamine increasing properties and sexual enhancement. Then, finally some people say I need Clomid, while others say my cycles a joke, and I dont need it at all.

So whats the deal?

The Cycle:
Weeks 1-8
250mg Sust
250mg Deca
40mg Oxadronalone ED
Weeks 4-8
Armidex .25 ED
Weeks 5-8
Nolvadex 30mg a day
Week 8
Clomid 100md day
Weeks 9-10
Nolvadex 20mg a day
Week 9
Clomid 50mg day
Week 10
Clomid 25mg day

Previous Discussion on the Topic:
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/anabolic-steroids/633173-first-cycle-post8635289.html#post8635289
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wholy crap man haha this as a big fatty mess haha, well man i would recomend droping the deca altogether, and upping the dose of test to 500mg/wk for 10wks and i wouldnt even use the anavar till the last 4 or 6 weeks. you could use the deca but it needs to be ran longer than 8 weeks, i doubt you would get any benifits from using it for 8 weeks especially from that low of a dose. and for pct, just run a standard pct protocol. no offence bro, but i would say it sounds like you need to research more before attempting anything. this shiz aint a joke, you need to be carefull and be smart. research research research!
 
superhulk_26 said:
wholy crap man haha this as a big fatty mess haha, well man i would recomend droping the deca altogether, and upping the dose of test to 500mg/wk for 10wks and i wouldnt even use the anavar till the last 4 or 6 weeks. you could use the deca but it needs to be ran longer than 8 weeks, i doubt you would get any benifits from using it for 8 weeks especially from that low of a dose. and for pct, just run a standard pct protocol. no offence bro, but i would say it sounds like you need to research more before attempting anything. this shiz aint a joke, you need to be carefull and be smart. research research research!
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Ok I ended up not ordering the Decca and am upping the Test to 500 a week! Why should I not take hte anavar until the 4th week?
 
commarts said:
Ok I ended up not ordering the Decca and am upping the Test to 500 a week! Why should I not take hte anavar until the 4th week?
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nice. well the test at 500mg is a good choice, and for the var, if you can afford it, and want to take it for the whole cycle, do it! i probably would. i just assumed you didnt have enough for the whole time. thats why i said just take it the sat 4 to 6 weeks, cause it would have a leaning out effect and solidify alot of the new muscle and probably make pct a little easier in terms of keeping muscle. lol your choice tho man
 
commarts said:
Ok I ended up not ordering the Decca and am upping the Test to 500 a week! Why should I not take hte anavar until the 4th week?
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Thats a good cycle for you .
Remember to up your creatine in take with the var , they work well together and take some liver sup ie; milk thistle if you going to run the Var 10wks .

Brad.
 
hesnobradpitt said:
Thats a good cycle for you .
Remember to up your creatine in take with the var , they work well together and take some liver sup ie; milk thistle if you going to run the Var 10wks .

Brad.
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Ok here is the new cycle I have revised from you guys advice. What kind of gains can I expect to get from this cycle? Remember this is my first real cycle, the last one i did was only 250 sust 8 years ago.

The Cycle:
Weeks 1-8
500mg Sustanon
40mg Oxadronalone ED
Weeks 4-8
Armidex .25 ED
Weeks 5-8
Nolvadex 30mg a day
Week 8
Clomid 100md day
Weeks 9-10
Nolvadex 20mg a day
Week 9
Clomid 50mg day
Week 10
Clomid 25mg day
 
commarts said:
Ok here is the new cycle I have revised from you guys advice. What kind of gains can I expect to get from this cycle? Remember this is my first real cycle, the last one i did was only 250 sust 8 years ago.

The Cycle:
Weeks 1-8
500mg Sustanon
40mg Oxadronalone ED
Weeks 4-8
Armidex .25 EDonly use if you get gyno signs
Weeks 5-8
Nolvadex 30mg a day
Week 8Start PCT at wk 10 , 2wks after last sust shot
Clomid 100md day
Weeks 9-10
Nolvadex 20mg a day
Week 9
Clomid 50mg day
Week 10
Clomid 25mg day
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1to 8 sust 500mgs wk
4to8 Var 40mg ed
10to12 clomid 50mg ad
10to13 nolva at 40/20/20ed
keep AI like adex on hand for signs of gyno during cycle.

Brad.
 
i would do this..ya need to run the sust longer then 8 weeks
1-10 sust 500 mon/thurs inject
1-4 var 40mg ed
adex .25 eod if needed
pct start it 2 wks after last sust shot
nolva
40mg ed 7 days
20mg 14 days
sustaion alpha
 
HAYEZ said:
i would do this..ya need to run the sust longer then 8 weeks
1-10 sust 500 mon/thurs inject
1-4 var 40mg ed
adex .25 eod if needed
pct start it 2 wks after last sust shot
nolva
40mg ed 7 days
20mg 14 days
sustaion alpha
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I like this cycle. Hayez strikes again!
 
HAYEZ said:
i would do this..ya need to run the sust longer then 8 weeks
1-10 sust 500 mon/thurs inject
1-4 var 40mg ed
adex .25 eod if needed
pct start it 2 wks after last sust shot
nolva
40mg ed 7 days
20mg 14 days
sustaion alpha
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Thanks guys I really appreciate it! I've been logging my calories at FitDay.com. Its an amazing program if you havent tried it.

I would like to post my journal on here, is there a place I can share it?
 
HAYEZ said:
i would do this..ya need to run the sust longer then 8 weeks
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you would do this - he may consider running it longer but he does not need to do it...

8 wks of sust at 500mgs/wk or what ever he is running it at is 8wks more of 500mgs than nothing
 
Cardinal Slin said:
you would do this - he may consider running it longer but he does not need to do it...

8 wks of sust at 500mgs/wk or what ever he is running it at is 8wks more of 500mgs than nothing
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if your gonna run a 8 week cycle run prop...if your gonna run a long esther run it 10 weeks plus..

why not just run the sust 6 weeks to save a few bucks? and skip pct also?
 
Really I could run it at 6 weeks then skip pct all together? I was wondering this becuase the clomid, armidex, and nolvadex is coming upto almost $200 bucks and it would be nice to cut that out.
 
commarts said:
Really I could run it at 6 weeks then skip pct all together? I was wondering this becuase the clomid, armidex, and nolvadex is coming upto almost $200 bucks and it would be nice to cut that out.
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nnonononono i was being sarcastic to mr slin up there
 
HAYEZ said:
nnonononono i was being sarcastic to mr slin up there
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sarcasm, the lowest form of whit :biggrin:

8 wks, why not just run it for 20 then?

8 week cycles of sustanon do work - there is no denial in that one. People have added 20-30lbs on their first cycle running sustanon for 8wks.
 
Thank you everybody for your help and input. I've decide on sticking to HAYEZ adaptation of the cycle which goes like this:
1-10 sust 500 mon/thurs inject
1-4 var 40mg ed
adex .25 eod if needed
pct start it 2 wks after last sust shot
nolva
40mg ed 7 days
20mg 14 days
sustaion alpha

My question is this:

After getting my bodyfat measured at the gym today I found out I'm at 16% and not 10% which I previously thought. Considering the estrogen puffing effect that test gives you and after reading through "the post powerful steroid" post. I'm thinking of using Tren instead of Test. My reason for this is that is will help cut down the bodyfat without giving me that puffy look that I hate from test.

So what do you guys think with this decision? And should I adjust my nolv, clomid, and armidex if I take tren instead?

Thanks.
 
commarts said:
Thank you everybody for your help and input. I've decide on sticking to HAYEZ adaptation of the cycle which goes like this:
1-10 sust 500 mon/thurs inject
1-4 var 40mg ed
adex .25 eod if needed
pct start it 2 wks after last sust shot
nolva
40mg ed 7 days
20mg 14 days
sustaion alpha

My question is this:

After getting my bodyfat measured at the gym today I found out I'm at 16% and not 10% which I previously thought. Considering the estrogen puffing effect that test gives you and after reading through "the post powerful steroid" post. I'm thinking of using Tren instead of Test. My reason for this is that is will help cut down the bodyfat without giving me that puffy look that I hate from test.

So what do you guys think with this decision? And should I adjust my nolv, clomid, and armidex if I take tren instead?

Thanks.
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that looks great but one thing. the nolva should be 40mg ed for 14 days then 20mg for 7 days
 
commarts said:
One other thing I should note: I'm not worried about having a limp dick for a couple months as long as the pct will bring it back.
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i dont think you are going to have that problem.
 
My question is this:

After getting my bodyfat measured at the gym today I found out I'm at 16% and not 10% which I previously thought. Considering the estrogen puffing effect that test gives you and after reading through "the post powerful steroid" post. I'm thinking of using Tren instead of Test. My reason for this is that is will help cut down the bodyfat without giving me that puffy look that I hate from test.

So what do you guys think with this decision? And should I adjust my nolv, Clomid, and armidex if I take tren instead?

Thanks.
 
commarts said:
My question is this:

After getting my bodyfat measured at the gym today I found out I'm at 16% and not 10% which I previously thought. Considering the estrogen puffing effect that test gives you and after reading through "the post powerful steroid" post. I'm thinking of using Tren instead of Test. My reason for this is that is will help cut down the bodyfat without giving me that puffy look that I hate from test.

So what do you guys think with this decision? And should I adjust my nolv, Clomid, and armidex if I take tren instead?

Thanks.
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no run the cycle you have planned. im 31 5'5'' 230+lbs 21% bf and run double that amount of test. use the adex to curb the gyno thats all. if your nips start to feal wierd up the adex.

dont run tren in place of test. dont run tren yet at all until you know more about it.
 
Diet and cardio burns fat!!!!!!! You can use test as a cutter or a bulker, diet determines what you do when on test.

Arimidex will keep your bloat down bro
 
commarts said:
Ok how much (in general) am I looking to gain off this cycle? Before and after I loose the water weight.
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The bro's here have given you some good advice.....
theres no way to determine gains as everyone is different, it all comes down to your BMR (basic metabolism rate) Some burn calories faster than others, and diet play a key, there is just too many variables to consider.


RADAR
 
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