Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below Hey guys, thought I'd let you know how my last cycle went. I'm 28, 5'6" and started off at 142 pounds. I ran deca 400mgwk, Test 600mgwk, and tbol at 60mged for the first 5 weeks. It was great. Topped out at 180 pounds and my strength increase was tremendous. The whole cycle was ten weeks, I was going to go 12 but my shoulder started hurting and a week prior I got cellulitis from an evil injection. I thought I would mention that I like Eco-oils Deca, but the Test E seemed to be really harsh maybe even dirty. I had to think that because all my tools are top quality from the hospital. Anyway I'm taking a little break and after pct I'm gonna begin another. peace
Cycle results
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thegoodfoods
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so you used Eco-oils' Deca and Test E? both worked fine, eh? this was your first cycle, correct?
how was the Test E "harsh"? did it hurt? if so, it could be from high BA content.
how was the Test E "harsh"? did it hurt? if so, it could be from high BA content.
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thegoodfoods
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yeah, his post is a bit suspicious
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thegoodfoods
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or not... idk
SgtSlaughter
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Congratz on the weight gain.
Get any stretch marks from that fast growth?
Get any stretch marks from that fast growth?
Extra_Strong
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thegoodfoods said:
52_21_30 said:
He was taking deca 400mgwk, Test 600mgwk, and tbol at 60mged for the first 5 weeks
30-40lbs is not uncommen!! I am sure about 10-15 was water weight.
jwadd2005 ?? how much did you keep?
jwadd2005 said:
LOL easy newb. Just keep in mind you have at least 30 lbs of fat and water on you now so you better start hitting the treadmill. And since you're eating vegan you might want to up your protein to 400+ grams since those protein sources have a shitty bioavailability.
And being able to put on fat fast is no accomplishment.
jwadd2005 said:
What the hell did you eat then to put on that much weight with out animal products?
Making a full amono acid chain that an animal would provide is also difficult to do as a vegan correct!?
I am just curious here bro. these gains are amazing as a vegan..
-NP
solidspine
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Nice results,
must say t-bol must be good stuff.
must say t-bol must be good stuff.
beachstud
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I dunno. This guy reeks of 18yo-thinks-he-knows-everything-vegan but really wants to try juice someday and is throwing a line of bullshit out there to impress.
Where's the pics dog? Just one or two current ones if you don't have a before/after. Use a camera phone if you have to cuz I'm betting about 90% odds you're full of shit.
P.S. I will apologize if I'm wrong, until that time, burden of proof's on you.
Where's the pics dog? Just one or two current ones if you don't have a before/after. Use a camera phone if you have to cuz I'm betting about 90% odds you're full of shit.
P.S. I will apologize if I'm wrong, until that time, burden of proof's on you.
Stacemranger
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Holy shit, what a call out.
SgtSlaughter
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all this is is an attention whoring thread...
From now on i'm not saying "good job" on any "results" without pics (good call guys)... may as well post what you've done with all the hardwork and time you put in on diet and training.
From now on i'm not saying "good job" on any "results" without pics (good call guys)... may as well post what you've done with all the hardwork and time you put in on diet and training.
nooob
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yea my friend that ran track with me last year was a vegan and was ripped to shreds. he was a solid 195 and look like he was 225 and a WR for the cowboys or something. his cousin is a pro bodybuilder so i guess its in the genes but this guy was solid and ate no meat whatsoever.
but yea some pics would be nice.
but yea some pics would be nice.
jmead
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ive gone from 215 to 250..15 weeks in.. im not saying im not holding water but theres no way i have 40 lbs of water..
dbol
test e
eq
npp
AI(mostly letro)/AIFM throughout
my virgin cycle i only put on 25lbs, but i ran deca alone 250-300mg EW for 8.. NEEEEWB haha
post some pics up bro, lets see those results
dbol
test e
eq
npp
AI(mostly letro)/AIFM throughout
my virgin cycle i only put on 25lbs, but i ran deca alone 250-300mg EW for 8.. NEEEEWB haha
post some pics up bro, lets see those results
nab12 said:
That's not my fault. Search more posts. I give credit where it is due. This post just smells like garbage. Even on a virgin cycle you're not going to gain 40 lbs eating vegan. The bioavailability of the protein is very low, and if he's eating 200 g, that's not enough to grow. I also have a hard time taking people seriously who turn to steroids at 142 lbs. Maybe if you read it again in black and white it will sink in...this cat is 142 lbs and using steroids...something's wrong with this picture. I mean if he loses any weight he could be a jockey. And why eat vegan to keep your body pure/clean if you're going to be injecting chemicals made in someone's kitchen into yourself?? Again, something is off. I agree with Sarge. Total attention whorage.
However, if I am proven wrong with pics then I will be the first to apologize and congratulate him. But I take this sport too seriously to just go along with posts that appear so blatantly full of shit. And to be honest, it's bad for the board too.
no1_brawler
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i made a post about gaining 35lbs on my first cycle and every1 quily came on to say i was holding 20lbs of water and fat and only 5-15lbs was LBM. then i finish my pct and only lose 4lbs and gain back 2lbs. dats a 33lb gain after pct. and let me assure you, dats all muscle, my bodyfat is less now. im at 10%. so dis guy gaining 40lbs is maybe hard to believe for some of u guys who have crap genetics for roids and only keep 10lbs. but there are ppl who gain heaps and keep heaps. 2 many jealous ppl out there
no1_brawler
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let me also add that before and after pics prove nothing. u cant see if sum1 has gained 20 or 30 or 40lbs with a picture. and u cant see how long away pics have been taken from each other. so b4 and after pics meann shit. i gained 35lbs and u cud never see dat with a pic
Tweeker, I mean 52 has been there and done that. His experience to this board is valuable. If you post pics and he compliments you, I'd say you earned it. Cheap, ass kissing compliments are worthless, ask your Aunt Tilly for those. If he's driving past a cow pasture and spies some bullshit, he shouts it out, just like he did with this post.nab12 said:
no1_brawler said:
I'm not making any personal attacks against you bro, but please believe me, it is biochemically and physiologically impossible to add more than 5 to 10 (absolute max) pounds of pure lean muscle tissue per cycle. Your body simply can not adjust that quickly to the change. And there's no jealousy here for sure, I can assure you. I started using at 230 lbs and am 285 right now. I've been in the game for years and I'm just here on this thread to make sure others who are just starting do not have unrealistic expectations. Can you add 40 lbs on your first cycle? 100% yes. Can more than 10 lbs of that be pure muscle tissue? 100% absolutely not. Whether the rest is fat, water, increased bone density, whatever. Personally, I gained about 25 lbs on my first cycle. I had been training for years and people already thought I was using AAS. Another reason many young guys gain so much on their virgin cycles is because they turn to AAS waaay too quickly at too young of an age. They don't realize they could have made those gains in maybe twice the amount of time by just eating properly. My current cycle consists of 2 grams of gear, GH, and IGF-1. I've gained 8-10 lbs in about 10 weeks. Why? Because I'm 285 lbs that's why. Most of the gear I take is to maintain my size, with only a small bit to add more. So no, I'm not jealous of these 140 lb newbs gaining 40 lbs on test and deca. This cat said he started at 142 lbs...I use 150 lb dumbells for incline presses. So there's some perspective for ya. Not being arrogant, just trying to illustrate my point.
In the end though, with these 35+ lb gains per cycle, I can assure you, "dat's" not all muscle.
Here's what I think...most likely this thread is complete bullshit and we are all wasting our time...Thing is a 142lb body is very easy to improve upon. Maybe the guy was melnourished and way under his natural body weight at 142. For us guys that are sherrifs or have been locked up it is pretty easy to illistrate...Get a heroin junky thats got nothing to do but eat 3 shity meals and lilft wieghts an hour a day...just watch the weight pile on...i've seen happen alot...with guys that are naturally muscular. So I buy it...but don't believe it was the AAS as much as a lifestyle change. No I'm not a sherrif but my best freind is an idiot.
I am not saying that it is all muscle at all. I didn't even do much ab work. Hey I did gain and will try to get some pictures up. I am trying to find some before pictures where I was a skinny little marathon runner. Thanks for the crap though, it's cool. I understand why no one would be it without pics.
Extra_Strong
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jwadd2005 said:
ab work? what do you mean my this? are you saying if you did ab work you might have kept some fat off?
whoa, all on a veg diet. hey , list what your typical food intake was in a day. i'd like to see that.rg78 said:
no1_brawler
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52_21_30 said:
Ok den i respect your opinions but answer me this, if i have kept 33lbs after pct and im at 1% lower fat percentage than i started which as 11% then what could it be? all the water is gone and i didnt gain any fat so u tell me
no1_brawler said:
You gained 33 lbs after PCT and didn't put on any fat?? I'm sorry that is simply not possible. The BF% reading is either garbage or you're lying through your keyboard. I'm not accusing you of lying, just offering an explanation for your "results". The numbers you're giving defy the principles of human physiology. It takes the best in the world many, many years to add 30 lbs of lean body mass to their frames. So the reason there's no explanation for what you're saying is because it's not possible, or like I said, it didn't happen to begin with. Either way I don't think it's worth it to discuss this further.
Oh, and the water's definitely not gone. If you ate under 100 g carbs for a few days you'd lose about 10 lbs of water at least. Then if you were to do a type of pre-contest water restriction plus or minus a diuretic, you'd lose at least another 10. When people say the "water's gone" after PCT that's a real misnomer. They mean that the bloat is gone. Muscle is mostly water anyway. So you defnitely have a good deal of water in your body, but thats a good thing.
no1_brawler
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well the water dat i have is normal, its not like i have excess water. and u dont believe i didnt gain any fat? wanna see a pic of me at the present time? and u tell me wat my body fat is
Not really. I could care less to be honest. Like I said, it's not worth discussing anymore. I'm not trying to be a dick, I just really dont care enough for you to go through the trouble of posting a picture. I made my point that these weight gains in first cycles are normal, largely because younger guys turn to steroids too early and could have made the gains naturally. Furthermore, even if you're a genetic freak, you're not gaining more than 10 lbs of pure muscle tissue, even on a virgin cycle.
52_21_30 said:
I AGREE with most your posts bro, but do you really think that your body can ONLY gain 10lbs of Lean Mass on cycle?
I dont know man, just sounds like since YOU cant put on more then 10lbs a cycle(LBM).
I currently have went from 185 - 205 right now. Im running AIFM throughout right now. I am dry, not completely dry but dry(NOT TOO MUCH EXCESS WATER). Im willing to say 5lbs of h20 maybe 10 the MOST, but i do doubt 10. I still got 3 weeks to go. So i should be up 30lbs by the end of this one. (virgin cycle as well). So your telling me that only 10lbs will be LBM and the others other factors like fat/bonedensity/etc. Im sorry bro, but some people have genetics to respond to AAS Very well.....
If i was to take your advice and say, oh man, might as well drop my dosage down and end my cycle early if im only going to put on 10lbs of mass.
Just wondering, do you have any proof of this? Study wise? Or from personal trials?
I dont know about you, but i have put on 10lbs in a month. Naturally.
And yes i have body fat calipers and they are the same readings or slighy lower right now then when i started. So i have not gained fat. Just my .02
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no1_brawler
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i think hes getin 2 technical and sayin 10lbs of lean muscle tissue. if were talkin about lean body mass dats everything but fat. wen u gain muscle naturaly or on a cycle, u gain water with it, musles are filled with water. so dont count that as excess weight, dats MUSCLE. stop being so technical
no1_brawler said:
Im gonna go out on a limb and hope you are being legit brawler. Im hoping to gain 25lbs of LBM. I just dont know why EVERYONE seems to have something negative about gains posts. Its gonna make everyone NOT post thier gains.
But i do have my pictures to back it up so i have a defense if i get called on bullshit.
I lift Heavy Powerlifter Here. No isolation, mostly core movements so im not going for hypertrophy swolen look. I need to be as light and as strong as possible. I hope this has woven new muscle fibers tightly and not just 'big'.
mm107 said:
Bro I was that weight in middle school. Before you pop off read some of the above posts. I'm 285 lbs so I don't think you should be the one telling me what is and what isn't. Youre on your first cycle and lecturing me about genetics?? Bro if you saw me in person you would shit your pants. And brawler, sorry I'm being technical, but that's what educated people do. When I kept saying lean muscle tissue, I meant just that. The water that comes with it is, drum roll...water. It's not muscle tissue. If you don't beleive me, look at Ulter's post on page one of this godforsaken thread. He said that the dude gained maybe 5-7 lbs of LBM. I'm tired of going back and forth with you newbs. The real issue is that you boys turned to AAS too early because you were too lazy to gain anything naturally. You would have made these gains easily without AAS. Like I said, I was 230 before I started. How many cycles will it take you to get to 230 lbs??
52_21_30 said:
LOL your just a waste on here bro. 285 is nice. Cant take that way and wont take that away. But because your 285 means what? your the smartest bro on here? No. It means you like to point on and tell people their gains are "not true gains because muscle tissue is different".
People come on here for inspiration. People like sharing thier stories/succes or not. In 2 "gains" posts you have called these guys out on bullshit.
im not lecturing anyone about genetics, and bro 285? shit my pants comon. My coach is 280, and victor martinez works out at my gym every morning. 285? Cool for you man. I cant take away anything from you. You have the shit to back it up fine. 285 is impressive.
But to turn around to every post here and tell them complete bullshit is just wrong IMHO. If you are such a "guru" in this sport why even bother posting anything negative, unless its to help? Because thats what educated people do.
I know understand you Mean ACTUAL MUSCLE TISSUE.
Do you have a Degree in any of these science fields? or are you so smart you educated yourself?
mm107 said:
Masters degree in biochemistry and a year left on my PhD in pharmacology. And I don't mean to put anyone down, but I've been around long enough and know enough science to know what is bullshit and what isnt. I know people come here for inspiration, but I don't give a pat on the back to someone sitting at their computer living in a fantasy world. Like I said before, 40 lbs in a cycle is very possible, but it's about 25% muscle tissue at best, and the rest is water, which is fine because if the water is in the muscle like it's supposed to be and not in the interstitium, I'd call those gains very solid.
P.S. You train at Bev Francis?? I might be moving to LI in the near future. That's where i'll be training if i do. And yes Vic is a bloody monster.
52_21_30 said:
Bastard, u just won this damn disagreement with that Masters Degree and soon PhD.
I know understand your posts better about the Lean Tissue, and not LBM.
I train in 2 places, out there in L.I. as well as near my home. Colliseum Gym. Vic was there last night with his buddy Desmond, a HUGE PL turned BB. They were scarfing down food.
I know understand that your knowledge makes you answer the question FULLY. While some of us didnt understand that.
Oh yea and
for actually having a damn answer for my "do u have a degree" question lmaomm -1
52 +1
SgtSlaughter
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ok, now who's going to do the autopsy to find out EXACTLY how much lean tissue and to do an exact bodyfat analysis?
wags8 said:
LOL thanks wags, Dissagreement is where i Learn. If i had more knowledge in the subject i would have argued my ass off. But obviously 52, is just more educated on that particular subject. Got to give credit where credit is due.
Educated People Learn from their mistakes and will see the other sides story...
its the ignorant people who know it all I hate, so i would not want to be that person lol.
As I have posted here for several years now, what 52 is saying is correct. You'll be very luck to add 10 pounds of LBM in a year after your first cycle and 10 for first cycle is miraculous.
Ronnie Coleman gained 9 pounds of LBM per year from his first amateur competition to his last O win. If you think you take as much AS as Ronnie Coleman or have his genetics you're out of touch.
Ronnie Coleman gained 9 pounds of LBM per year from his first amateur competition to his last O win. If you think you take as much AS as Ronnie Coleman or have his genetics you're out of touch.
beachstud
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Aaannnd, my point is proven. STILL NO PICS jwaad!! What's the story?
Big difference between flapping your lips about something and actually producing the goods... idn't it?
My Golden Retriever 's at my feet right now and he's sniffing something in the air. I think he smells BULLSHIT!
Big difference between flapping your lips about something and actually producing the goods... idn't it?
My Golden Retriever 's at my feet right now and he's sniffing something in the air. I think he smells BULLSHIT!
SgtSlaughter
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Diminishing returns is bound to happen at his level and slow to that rate, no?Ulter said:
But what about untrained natural athletic, super genetics people (or just complete newbie gains that would have happend with a solid diet and training anyway)? ... That haven't reached that imaginary point where their returns become MUCH harder to achieve.
sgtslaughter said:
Actually I think as long as he stays on obscene amounts of growth and AS, the older he (or any bodybuilder) gets, the better they get. Once you turn pro, it's basically all about muscle maturity from that point on. Look at Phil Heath. I've never seen or heard of anyone looking like he does at his age (he's still 26 I think). Once Jay and Ronnie retire, I think it'll be him and Vic fighting it out for the next 5-10 years, with Dex as well. But as long as you stay injury free, the older you are the better you are. I heard Jay talk at a seminar once, and he also said this in one of his DVDs, and he stated that your body will hit its absolute peak at 35 years of age. Now, take that, coupled with say, 10-20 IU of GH daily year round, 3-5 grams of AAS weekly, insulin, IGF, and of course 1 in a billion genetics, and you'll end up with something like Ronnie...
whoops , sorry i meant the guy who started the thread.rg78 said:
no1_brawler
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you changed your words around, u said LBM in the beginning and now u say lean muscle tissure which is 2 diff things. muscles are filled with water "professor" so dats muscle. who the fuck cares about how much lean muscle tissue u have. i kepk 33lbs. 0lbs of fat which means 33lbs of muscle(which includes water genius). and dats it
no1_brawler
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and no i wudnt shit my pants next to u. why would i be scared of a overgrown guy whos 2 slow and big to land a hit. your one of those guys who thinks a big guy will always beat a small guy. dats stupidity "professor"
Tweakle
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come on 52, EVERYONE on the internet adds 20-40lbs of pure rock hard muscle everytime they cycle.
actually it might be possible, if you were untrained, ate like a bird and used to be a lean 180 for 5+ years (long enough to build the muscle memory to make a comeback like that possible) and had amazing responsiveness to AAS.
but not likely.
Since I was 200+ before using AAS I never had the crazy 'I'm not ready for steroids' gains some of the little little people get when they start light years away from their natural potential.. plus I didnt start with Dbol to get that 10lbs of 'muscle' in a week
actually it might be possible, if you were untrained, ate like a bird and used to be a lean 180 for 5+ years (long enough to build the muscle memory to make a comeback like that possible) and had amazing responsiveness to AAS.
but not likely.
Since I was 200+ before using AAS I never had the crazy 'I'm not ready for steroids' gains some of the little little people get when they start light years away from their natural potential.. plus I didnt start with Dbol to get that 10lbs of 'muscle' in a week
Tweakle said:come on 52, EVERYONE on the internet adds 20-40lbs of pure rock hard muscle everytime they cycle.
actually it might be possible, if you were untrained, ate like a bird and used to be a lean 180 for 5+ years (long enough to build the muscle memory to make a comeback like that possible) and had amazing responsiveness to AAS.
but not likely.
Since I was 200+ before using AAS I never had the crazy 'I'm not ready for steroids' gains some of the little little people get when they start light years away from their natural potential.. plus I didnt start with Dbol to get that 10lbs of 'muscle' in a week
LOL I know. There's just no reasoning with these uneducated newbs. Let them think what they want. If you think this is bad, spring break is coming up soon. The anavar and winstrol disciples will be descending upon us in the coming weeks. I mean, anavar and winstrol will get me ripped even if I eat burgers and pizza and drink like a fish?? Dat's what ma homie be tellin me anywayz. Da same bra dat tol me I look swole wit 30 lbs of new muscle.
What a fucking joke.
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beachstud
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52_21_30 said:
What are you talking about? This type of thread just gives real people who get real results more credibility. You know, the people who actually have pics to post?
Krishna
Bruce410
DieselGunz
ItalianMuscle
...just to name a few. I think this fucked up thread is just the contrast we need. It separates the talkers from the walkers. This fag's a TALKER... I knew it. (ha, vegan puts on 40lbs. of lbm. gimmeafugginbreak!).
i'd like to see what he ate everyday. wow, talk about fiber, seems like that would be a lot of bulk. incredible bowel movements!beachstud said:
no1_brawler
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why dont u pessimistic fucks just get over it and put it in ur head that a person can keep 30lbs+ from a cycle. why the fuck wud any1 on the internet lie about gainin 30lbs, doesnt do shit for them
Unless you're sensitive to the sides I dont see the need to ever to a cycle without some form of tren. But that's a big caveat, as the sides can become a pain and to some, not worth it. By the looks of your avi you'll love tren. It will take you down a few bf% points if you're even remotely dieting and doing cardio.
no1_brawler
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i dont know fukn understand how before and after pictures prove anything. the pics can be taken 1yr apart and u cant tell how much sum1 has gained from a pic, u can only estimate. so stop talkin like before and after pics prove your legit
wags8 said:
no1_brawler
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dont give me a bullshit quote, respond with a real comment
beachstud
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no1_brawler said:
...if you can't walk the walk, don't talk the talk...
...hard work + commitment = results...
...a loser is a loser ...
and finally:
......the proof is in the mothafuckin pudding...
All-Natty: http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/...d1/91e16047.jpg
Week1: http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/...d1/55ae9b94.jpg
Week3: http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/...Stud1/Stud3.jpg
Week5: http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/...ud1/Stud16l.jpg
Week7: http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/...d1/a8761012.jpg
Week8: http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/...chStud1/253.jpg
Week9: http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/...d1/fd800753.jpg
Week11: http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/...d1/69a8b9d1.jpg
Week12 (final): http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/...tud1/Stud22.jpg
These are pics. They show my progress. Why doesn't what's his fuck show his progress???
If you're gonna make claims, you gotta be prepared to back them up. Haven't heard anything from the pussy who started this thread claiming he's a vegan who put on 40+ lbs. of weight but has yet to post any pics.
I called him out, he couldn't produce the goods (a few simple pics) because he's full of shit, so I'd just like to point out that I was right all along. This guy is most likely some tree-hugging hippy who secretly wants to cycle someday but struggles with it and so he comes on this board and makes outrageous claims like he invented the question mark and now it's my job to take him out.
Enough said. You can't argue with fools. I'm done here.
