Cycle Questions

[mountainhawk53]

Been doing research on an all-oral cycle, got referred one by a friend. Am looking for more information on PCT as well as Nolva or Clomid usage during the cycle itself. Maybe HCG? Not quite sure because its not a long cycle...let me know what you think.

Weeks 1-4
Dbol-4wks-20-35mg
Prov-3wks-25mg

Weeks 3-6
Stanaz (Win)-20-30mg

Weeks 4-6
Anavar-30-50mg

*All mg are ranged from low dosage at beginning of cycle to higher at the end (30mg at first to 50 mg at end, etc.)

Now, Ive been doing a lot of reading on PCT, and I am confused by some simple problems...should I take Nolva AND Clomid, or one or the other? Also, should I start them during the cycle, or immediately afterwards, or run them along with the gear at the same time? Maybe a better PCT plan??

And what is your take on on HCG during the cycle? Im still on edge about investing in it when I only hear about its usage for cycles 8 weeks and up...

To answer questions I know I will get:
-The reasons I am taking such a short cycle is because I get random drug tests and the summer is the only time I have off from them
-All oral because injectables stay in your system and are detectable for a longer span of time - only have 9 weeks until DT
-THIS cycle because I know it works; many friends have taken it, got great results from it with a good balance btw size, cutting, and side effects....even I thought it sounded stupid but I might as well try it.

I know many will not agree with this, but any PCT knowledge is greatly appreciated.

DP

 

[mountainhawk53]

Anyone? Done a lot of research on it, maybe too much cuz im second guessing myself left and right haha....the more I read the more the usage of Clomid vs. Nolva during and post cycle confuses me....Im leaning towards taking Nolva from week 4 on and then Clomid for the last week of cycle to the 3rd week off. Using Post Cycle and OXO-6 the whole time as well as liver enablers (Thistle, etc.).

 

[wzkid]

Personally I dont take all oral cycles but heres my take on it.

If I were you I would skip the nolva and clomid all together.

Anavar dose looks good but I would bump the winny dose to 50mgED.

Dont take alot of orals (hence my lack of knowledge on dbol) but, I would take milk thistle throughout.

 

[wzkid]

Oh and for your PCT just use Derma sustain from PP. Works great even on very suppressive cycles like I do.

 

[mountainhawk53]

Going to take thistle and R-ALA definately, drink over a gallon of water a day....D-bol is to just jump start the gains and proviron to keep the estrogen down while bridging over to more of a cutting/lean mass building cycle with the Win and the Var....cant bump the Win up any more because of $$ considerations.

Thanks for the Nolva and Clomid info for this stack...saving $$ is one of my favorite things to do...

wzkid- Derma Sustain...is that one product or two (theres Dermocrine and Sustain Alpha)?

 

[Nelson Montana]

Read the "PCT For a New Generation" Sticky.

 

[wzkid]

Read the "PCT For a New Generation" Sticky.

Yep it a excellent post!


And I dont mean two products for derma. I have just been using it since it came out and sometimes the name changes elude me.

Sustain Alpha is the most current PCT product and should work great!

 

[mountainhawk53]

Wow thats some good info...definately gives me another outlook on Nolva and Clomid...im gonna take that post cycle-unleashed-sustain alpha at the end...run an estrogen inhibitor the whole time....thanks for the info.

 

[enacer420nj]

Yep it a excellent post!


And I dont mean two products for derma. I have just been using it since it came out and sometimes the name changes elude me.

Sustain Alpha is the most current PCT product and should work great!

have you used it?

 

[jagerbombme]

have you used it?

hehe, clomid and nolvadex for pct is very very good. no need for hcg with that cycle in my opinion.

i'd hit the proviron with the other orals though and run the dbol by itself. you'll get harder with the var/proviron/winny, if you run the dbol/proviron, you won't notice what the provirons doing for you and it's a weak anti e unless like 100mg ed. it's good shit though, don't get me wrong. i'm on the lookout for some proviron at the moment

 

[mountainhawk53]

ive heard it go other ways for nolva and clomid on a cycle such as this...any other obs or opinions?

 

[wzkid]

have you used it?

Nah, started with the Dermacrine original then changed to Derma sustain when the changed the name but Im pretty sure that Sustain Alpha is pretty close to what was in the Dermacrine sustain.

Have been really happy with the results of derma sustain during PCT and have two bottles of sustain alpha sitting under my bathroom cabinet waiting for me to go off cycle in a few weeks.

 

[mountainhawk53]

how exactly do you use that stuff? (Sustain Alpha/Dermacrine)
-dose, application, etc....

 

[hehateme000]

its topical applied to the skin--i think 4 pumps a day for 30 days.

 

[wzkid]

Yep, directions are on his site also.