Cycle question

[cejeff]

Ok, I've only done one cycle. And that was well over 4 years ago. My question is this: If I did another cycle, do I treat my AR sites as if it were a first time cycle? Or is it like the whole virgin thing (Just because you ain't doing it doesn't mean the "cherry" grew back).

 

[Makavelli]

There's no such thing as AR downregulation so it doesn't matter. You will gain well if your diet is in check.

 

[cejeff]

Thanks Mak.

I wanted to do a Test Enan only cycle. Or at the most add one more compound. I really don't want to do any more than two AAS' at a time.

Test E 50mg/wk 1-12
Anavar 60mg ED 9-14
I have Femera on hand and Nolva


PCT day after last Var

 

[drrman]

Thanks Mak.

I wanted to do a Test Enan only cycle. Or at the most add one more compound. I really don't want to do any more than two AAS' at a time.

Test E 50mg/wk 1-12
Anavar 60mg ED 9-14
I have Femera on hand and Nolva


PCT day after last Var

you mean 500mg/week right?

yeh, thats not a bad cycle, you could even run the var longer if you wanted, start it at say week 6 or 7

 

[cejeff]

you mean 500mg/week right?

yeh, thats not a bad cycle, you could even run the var longer if you wanted, start it at say week 6 or 7

You caught me! I meant 500mg/wk. Is more better? I can run up to 750mg for 14 weeks but that may be overkill. I do have enough Var to run only 60mg for 6 weeks though. Two compounds is my limit for the second cycle. I'm only going to add more if gains cease or slow down significantly. (But we are discussing a future cycle, not one I'm going to start tomorrow).

 

[Makavelli]

You caught me! I meant 500mg/wk. Is more better? I can run up to 750mg for 14 weeks but that may be overkill. I do have enough Var to run only 60mg for 6 weeks though. Two compounds is my limit for the second cycle. I'm only going to add more if gains cease or slow down significantly. (But we are discussing a future cycle, not one I'm going to start tomorrow).

I would go with 750 mgs/wk of test and the anavar at the end.

 

[cejeff]

I would go with 750 mgs/wk of test and the anavar at the end.

For a 2nd cycle, Mak?

 

[Makavelli]

For a 2nd cycle, Mak?

Yeah, why not? Most of the guys that I deal with that haven't done a cycle or only done one or two I'll put on a total of 800 mgs to a G a week, sometimes more. It depends on their goals. Most guys want to look big and jacked or big and ripped. 400 mgs/wk won't do that. It will help you gain a little, but not what most want.

 

[surferstar]

Yeah, why not? Most of the guys that I deal with that haven't done a cycle or only done one or two I'll put on a total of 800 mgs to a G a week, sometimes more. It depends on their goals. Most guys want to look big and jacked or big and ripped. 400 mgs/wk won't do that. It will help you gain a little, but not what most want.

I was around @ 2 g's first pin cycle. No sides. except i started to grow hair on my back lol. that sucked but notta razor couldn't cure.

 

[instant.muscle]

Yeah, why not? Most of the guys that I deal with that haven't done a cycle or only done one or two I'll put on a total of 800 mgs to a G a week, sometimes more. It depends on their goals. Most guys want to look big and jacked or big and ripped. 400 mgs/wk won't do that. It will help you gain a little, but not what most want.

but at 1 g of test a week, how much will u lose after

 

[Makavelli]

I was around @ 2 g's first pin cycle. No sides. except i started to grow hair on my back lol. that sucked but notta razor couldn't cure.

Exactly. People overestimate the power of AAS. They think if they take a little they'll look like the guys in Flex. It doesn't work that way. The more androgens one has floating around in their blood, the more muscle mass they will have. It's basic physiology.

 

[Maxgain]

I was around @ 2 g's first pin cycle. No sides. except i started to grow hair on my back lol. that sucked but notta razor couldn't cure.

thats crazy you are telling me you needed over 20 times your normal test production to gain.
Cejeff i woulsd stick with 500mgs you should make great gains if not something else is wrong diet or training.

 

[surferstar]

thats crazy you are telling me you needed over 20 times your normal test production to gain.
Cejeff i woulsd stick with 500mgs you should make great gains if not something else is wrong diet or training.

Nope not at all, In fact i didn't gain a pound. It was all for cutting. Lost 7%bf and put on great size, insane strength vascularity and hardness. It was perfect lol. Diet was on point with the help of Mak. I needed more gear in order to not only maintain muscle while intaking only @2800-3000 cals and low cycling carbs. So i lost a ton of fat and put on nice muscle size. It all goes back to your goals in what you need to acheive. But i also did 5 months of research on what i was doing with these compounds b4 i did it. So i had no sides except for some hair growth on my back and a couple pimples. Thats it.

 

[cejeff]

How about I "split the difference" here?
I don't wanna look like Coleman or Cutler. Not THAT big. I'm not looking to compete or anything.

Test E 600mg/wk 1-12
Var 60mg ED 9-14
SesaPURE (at whatever the recommended dose is)

I got Fem & Nolva on hand...plenty

Proper PCT (wks 14-17) and I'm out

 

[Cauliflower Ear]

should be fine buddy...i love var...i love it at 75mg/ed...some people run it at 100mg/ed...with all that test i would keeps some aifm on hand so you dont bloat to much...happy growing

 

[cejeff]

Well if I use AIFM why would I need Letro (and vice versa)?

 

[drrman]

Well if I use AIFM why would I need Letro (and vice versa)?

it all depends on your sensitivity and how bad you get the estrogen related sides....letrozole is as strong as it gets, sometimes you need the ultimate in case gyno happens to set in even if you are taking another AI

 

[cejeff]

it all depends on your sensitivity and how bad you get the estrogen related sides....letrozole is as strong as it gets, sometimes you need the ultimate in case gyno happens to set in even if you are taking another AI

OK great! But I was a bit hesitant in doing 750mg/wk of Test E on my second cycle so I would only do 600mg. Would an extra 150mg make THAT much of a difference? I mean it's not Sustanon (with four esters). Now with that I could see 750mg but this is one ester of test. And with the way most people take Sustanon (once or twice a week, totally discounting the prop in it):


Sus @ 750mg/wk = Test (single, long ester) @ 600mg/wk

maybe...

 

[gettnlarge01]

what was your first cycle and how were the gains and how much did you keep?