yea im already getting the stuff like tomorrow, so i gotta work with what i got but i was looking for the best way to bulk up and keep as much as possible. so i was planning on holding off on the winni until the end of the cycle to harden everything up. but im also having trouble getting a hold of some anti-e's and im not too sure when i should throw those into the mix. i was planning on gettting some clomid for the end but that doesnt really help me during my cycle to block estrogen. but my goles are to relatively hard and big im not too concerned about strenght this time around. this will be my third cycle following a test propanate cycle and a d-bol and winni cycle. my stats right now are 5'8 165 and i bench around 200. thanks for the input.