cycle help

[Francis Drake]

I am trying to put together a first cycle. It is probably going to end sometime around spring break, so i would like to set one up that isnt going to leave me with too much additional fat. I know I want the base of the cycle to be sustanon, only because everyone seems to be happy with it and because it is self tapering and I don't have to worry too much about water retention. Now, I am 5'8 175lbs at about 10%body fat. I have been trying to decide what to run with the sustanon. I am between EQ, Deca, Anavar, and Primobolan depot, or any combination of them. Also, I was thinking about ending the cycle with some clen to get rid of any fat i picked up from the cycle, and because it is so anti-catabolic. I am looking for good quality gains that I am going to keep most of, I dont want to gain 35 and only keep 20 of it. Any ideas? Origionally I was thinking of a cycle like this:

week****sust****eq**clomid
1*******500****300
2*******500****300
3*******500****300
4*******500****300
5*******500****300
6*******500****300**50mg eod
7*******500****300**50mg eod
8*******500****300**50mg eod
9*******************100mg ed
10******************50mg ed
11******************50mg eod

I was really debating throwing in some anavar somewhere in there. Maybe halfway through? Do you think it would be too many different types for a first cycle? Any ideas or suggestions are welcome. Defferent doeses, different gear, etc.. As said before, in week 9 i will probably start clenbuterol either way. Thanks bros.

 

[ironbarbarian]

Looks good bro but it will take some time b4 the stuff kicks in. Try adding some d-bol at the beginning to entertain yourself. You wont need anavar since you wont feel anything because you are adding strong anabolic steroids like EQ+SUST

 

[Mike80]

whay are you starting the clomid at week 6. Is it used as an anti-estrogen? As far as post cycle recovery goes, wait 3-4 weeks after your last injection of sustanon, and take 300mg clomid the first day, 200mg the second day, 100mg for 6 days and then 50mg for 12 days. that is exactly 36 pills of clomid needed for post cycle recovery. If you are using the clomid for an anti-estrogen you may want to reconsider, and switch to nolvadex, it's far superior. And I also recommend adding d-bol for the first four weeks., and if you do that make sure you have some nolvadex, becuase d-bol convert rather easily.

 

[genarr3]

Mike80 is right, you're starting the clomid at the wrong time. Here read this:
http://209.11.101.244/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=29091&highlight=clomid+faq
Also, there is no law that says you have to stack multiple compounds in a cycle. If you did nothing but the sust you will be happy. If you wish to throw in the eq go ahead. How much fat you gain will depend on your diet. What might happen is holding water, what you should do is get yourself some Arimidex/Liquidex. That not only will help with water retention, but will also act as an anti-e.

 

[Francis Drake]

I was adding the clomid so early to help stop my natural test production from shutting down completely. Thank you for the post on clomid. I will add the clomid as said by Mike instead of how i had it. I would love to add arimidex, but it is a little bit out of my price range, so i am kind of limited. If i was to throw in some d-bol, what is the minimum i could use to just jumpstart my gains a little without adding too many more problems. I was not really sure if i wanted to do d-bol and test because of the risk of gyno. I could just keep nolva around though.

 

[Francis Drake]

so should i do 2 or 3 d-bol per day for the first 4 weeks? any taper? run nolva with it too, or just keep it nearby?

 

[rperry]

take 20-25mg d-bol thats 4-5 pills, dont taper, just keep nolva on hand, i had to take it for 1.5 weeks after my d-bol to get gyno pain in check but i quit as soon as the pain went away.

maybe take deca instead of eq, i love what deca dose to me, i just get bad acne from it, amazingly deca @400-600mg gives me more acne than sust @1000mg a week!!!!!! just my .02

 

[rperry]

that would be a very good fisrt cycle compared to mine which consisted of deca alone and only 10ml for the entire thing!

good luck bro. e-mail w/ any questions. [email protected]

 

[Francis Drake]

ok so here is how it looks now:
week***sust***d-bol*****EQ**Clomid***Clen
1******500***20mg ed**300**************
2******500***20mg ed**300**************
3******500***20mg ed**300**************
4******500***20mg ed**300**************
5******500************300**************
6******500************300**************
7******500************300**************
8******500************300**************
9**********************************Clen
10*********************************Clen
11************************Clomid as mentioned earlier
12************************Clomid as mentioned earlier
13************************Clomid as mentioned earlier

I will start my clen dosage at 20mcg and increase one pill each day untill sides get too bad. I will hold at that dosage untill day 14.

Everything sound ok? Any more suggestions?

 

[Francis Drake]

ok... so i assume everything is ok to start then? no more suggestions?