~Cycle Help~ If YOU Had These...

[Silent Method]

Assume you had enough primo to run 500 mg for 10 weeks, 13 amps of omnadren, and plenty of d-bol. You're always looking to put on as much lean mass as possible. How would you run the cycle?

*I'm not sure I even want to run the test. Do you think it's be worth it given the amount? I'm thinking maybe a heavy front-load followed by 250 mg untill week 8 or so. I'd like to have it fully out of my system by PCT.

*Should I use all the primo in 10 weeks or should I only use half and save it for another cycle? Is 500mg of primo significantly more effective than half the dose?

*I'm likely to run d-bol 6 weeks on fro mthe start, a feww weeks off, then 6 more weeks or so on until PCT. What do you think?

 

[Deleted member 33117]

Are you ready for a crazy BBF answer?

Cut the primo in half.
primo: 250 mg a week, for weeks 1-20
omnas: 1/2 an amp every 5 days should make it almost to 20 weeks
dbol: 20 mg a day (10 mg in the mornign 10 mg before bed) weeks 1-20

 

[BigAndy69]

Why not run the primo at 500mg a week for 10 weeks, and dbol for 8 weeks or so with the primo... It may be the best cycle you ever run. I would save the Test for another cycle.

 

[Guvna]

I am with bigandy. I would, however, throw in 125mgs of test a week.

 

[Dial_tone]

I think my answer depends on your bodyfat level. If it's moderate to high save the test and run the primo at 400mg/week, preferably with EQ. If it's low run Omnadren with the EQ.

(skipping dosage intentionally)

 

[manny78]

primo 500mg week 1-10

Omna 250mg week 1-10

dbols, whatever makes you happy for 5-6 weeks


SInce you already have dbols, I wouldn't frontload the omna...

 

[Deleted member 33117]

Guys excuse me...he said gain as much lbm as possible. Longer cycles at lower doses yield slower, but more total gains than short high dose 8-10 week cycles.

Actually take the omna's out. 250 mg of primo a week with 20 mg of dbol a day for 20 weeks without test will not be as suppressive to htpa levels as many would think and recovery would be very easy.

 

[lilleole]

do 500mg primo week 1-10, omna 125mg week 1-10 and with dbol week 1-6

 

[BigAndy69]

250 mg of primo a week with 20 mg of dbol a day for 20 weeks without test will not be as suppressive to htpa levels as many would think and recovery would be very easy.

I'm not sure I agree with that, from my experience, longer cycles are very detrimental to HPTA

 

[Deleted member 33117]

I'm not sure I agree with that, from my experience, longer cycles are very detrimental to HPTA

Yes but you are using test or nandrolone-based compounds every cycle.

 

[DiamondCutCows]

Yes but you are using test or nandrolone-based compounds every cycle.

BigAndy or BBF, who has the bigger brain?

Bets anyone?

 

[Deleted member 33117]

BigAndy or BBF, who has the bigger brain?

Bets anyone?

There is a correlation between slightly smaller brains and upper level IQ's according to researchers... it is believed to be due to more wrinkles in the cerebral cortex, which yields a greater total surface area...thus next time someone refers to you as a "pea brain" take it as a compliment.

 

[Silent Method]

Thanks for the input thus far guys.

Right now I'm not sure I'm down with the 20 week idea. I think there is some evidence, anecdotal though it may be, that a given compound may lose some effectiveness after 12-15 weeks. Thoughts on this?


Keep the thoughts coming...I appretiate it...

 

[BigAndy69]

Thanks for the input thus far guys.

Right now I'm not sure I'm down with the 20 week idea. I think there is some evidence, anecdotal though it may be, that a given compound may lose some effectiveness after 12-15 weeks. Thoughts on this?


Keep the thoughts coming...I appretiate it...

From my experience, with any compound, you stop making significant gains after about 7 weeks...the rest of the time should be spent trying to maintain the gains you've already made.

 

[Silent Method]

Leaning towards manny78's suggestion for now btw...

 

[DiamondCutCows]

There is a correlation between slightly smaller brains and upper level IQ's according to researchers... it is believed to be due to more wrinkles in the cerebral cortex, which yields a greater total surface area...thus next time someone refers to you as a "pea brain" take it as a compliment.

I sometimes wonder if ur really a nerd with a built cousin, just using ur cousins pictures, LOL

 

[Deleted member 33117]

I sometimes wonder if ur really a nerd with a built cousin, just using ur cousins pictures, LOL

LoL several EF members know me. A girl I used to dated nicknames me "That horny nerdy bodybuilder", I was like "Excuse me? I'm a chemically-enhanced super nerd...bitch."

 

[Silent Method]

^

 

[pursuit]

I'd say take the 500mg of primo once per week, and do the omna 250mg every 6 days, take the dbols for six weeks max. Cycle lasting 10 weeks. I'm not as knowledgeable as a lot of the guys here but that does seem like the obvious answer!

 

[Silent Method]

It's looking like I'll do the full 500mg primo per week with the test - I think.


The thing is, I don't see doing a test only cycle in the future - saving the test would seem like a waste... Anyone think the test is worth it? I'd kind of like to assess the primo/d-bol combo alone. However, I'd do the test too if it'd result in decent gain.

 

[Mavy]

Im with BA69 on the gains issue, and I like Mannys cycle suggestion the best so far. I would personally up the primo thouhg. IMO running primo under 300mgs if you are a dood is almost a waste of gear and money. Other substances you could be happy with the results, but primo I dont think that you would be too thrilled with.

Primo is one of those choices that if you are going to cough up the coin and run a cycle of it, run it good so you feel it, and reap the great benefits of it. Dbol and primo work so good together for the same reasons deca/dbol do. Dbol = VERY anti-catabolic, Primo = VERY anabolic. They compliment each other perfectly. Adding a low dose of test in the mix only makes it better.

Regarding BA69s, and BBFs discussion. I would personally opt for fewer shorter cycles, than less longer ones. The longest I have ran a cycle for was only 12 weeks, I have found that around 6-7 wks is the point at which gains start to slow down. Will you still gain past this point? Sure, .... but is it worth staying suppressed for another 10 wks for the extra few lbs? Its this reason that all cycles I plan to run from here on out are only going to be around the 6wk mark. This is where most gains come for me, and the time after is not worth being on for the substantially less gains (the gains vs staying surpressed ratio does not seem worth it to me. Gains just slow down, and sides can occur easier).

I like the get in, get out, recover appraoch. Take advantage of the time when the gains are more exccesive, then end the cycle and start recovery. You always have the option to stay on longer, but if the gains are that much slower, and you are exposing yourself to a greater chance to experience sides, it may not be worth it, for the few more lbs.

I agree with drjmw on the suppression subject. There are no real "degrees" of suppression. You are suppressed within 24-48 hours of ANY AAS intake. As to what is easier to recover from, a shorter, but harsher cycle, or a longer but weaker cycle, my personal feel for this says the shorter harsher one, but apparently there aren't any studies to see whether recovery from a shorter or harsher cycle should vary from a longer or milder one.

I personally feel the less time you need to be on gear to let it do what it does, the better. I would opt for a cycle similar to Manny's suggestion, not to long and not to short. Might want to run a low dose of dbol while waiting for the long acting depots to clear as well at the end.

Mavy

 

[Mavy]

What is your cycle history like anyways bro? Might help us give you a better suggestion.

 

[Silent Method]

Mavy, thanks for all the input bro.

My cycle history is actually pretty limited. I've run a 6 weeker (planned 8 but got cut short) of test at 500 mg, a 14 week cycle of test at 600 mg for 10 weeks, d-bol the first 6 weeks and last 4 weeks, and cut a planned 12 week tren and other goddies cycle short in just weeks due to tren gyno. I did a stint of IGF for a month and a several week run of underdose d-bol as an expiriment.


Not too much real cycle history. In fact, I only consider one, the d-bol/test, a "real" cycle. That was in 2002. Funny thing, I look like the hulk compared to some of the bros on this board who claim multiple, massive cycles.

 

[Mavy]

Mavy, thanks for all the input bro.

My cycle history is actually pretty limited. I've run a 6 weeker (planned 8 but got cut short) of test at 500 mg, a 14 week cycle of test at 600 mg for 10 weeks, d-bol the first 6 weeks and last 4 weeks, and cut a planned 12 week tren and other goddies cycle short in just weeks due to tren gyno. I did a stint of IGF for a month and a several week run of underdose d-bol as an expiriment.


Not too much real cycle history. In fact, I only consider one, the d-bol/test, a "real" cycle. That was in 2002. Funny thing, I look like the hulk compared to some of the bros on this board who claim multiple, massive cycles.

lol .. thats good bro. I have had a cycle or two that I dont really consider cycles either. Like one when i was young, and drank 3-4 nights a week on it. Nice waste of gear and training. But I was having fun at the time, lol..live and learn. Sounds like you did alright with a decent dose of test, maybe you might want to up it, even though I would rather up the primo to 600 instead of the test. I would either try an equal dose of of test and primo, i.e., 4-500 of each, or I would cash in on an anabolic cycle, and up the primo to go with the dbol, and lower the test, just keep it as a basline. Try something like this maybe

Wk1-4: Dbol 30mg/day
Wk1-10: Test 250mg/wk
Wk1-10: Primo 600mg/wk
Wk9-13: Dbol 15mg/day
PCT

I would actually like to run something like that myself. Primo is a relatively mild drug so going to 600 you wouldnt have to worry as much as you would with other compounds. Not the cheapest route, but a good cycle bro.