Cycle for June '05...

[sandman_007]

i've been debating whether i am going to include deca for this first cycle....and i've decided that i will. Remember, i'm already a pretty big..err......natural guy so i think i can handle a bit. Last night, i got 120x7 with dumbell presses....

Let me also add that the needles really scare the sh** out of me. something just makes me quiver when thinking about it! But i gotta do what i gotta do...

i'll have to keep nolva and dostinex on hand for gyno though during the cycle if i complete this fairly complex first cycle. i lowered the dbol to only 4 weeks for my 'jump start' and decided to still have deca, but definetely at the lower end on the dosage.

Week Testosterone Deca-Durabolin Dianabol Nolvadex
1 500 mg/week 200 mg/week 30 mg/day
2 500 mg/week 200 mg/week 30 mg/day
3 500 mg/week 200 mg/week 30 mg/day
4 500 mg/week 200 mg/week 30 mg/day
5 500 mg/week 200 mg/week
6 500 mg/week 200 mg/week
7 500 mg/week 200 mg/week
8 500 mg/week 200 mg/week
9 500 mg/week 200 mg/week
10 500 mg/week 200 mg/week
11 1000 iu/hcg 3000 iu/hcg total M W F 20mg nolvadex daily
12 20mg nolvadex daily 1000 iu/hcg M W F 3000 total
13 20mg nolvadex daiy 1000 iu/hcg M W F(3000 total)
14 20mg nolvadex daily
15 20mg nolvadex daily
16 20mg nolvadex daily

 

[Bruce]

bro deca needs to be at 300mg or not worth it, unless it is strictly for joint lubing. everything looks fine, but honestly u should run the gear for 12 weeks. u will see such better results. i would adjust to 12 weeks and then 300 or even 400 of deca

 

[sandman_007]

bro deca needs to be at 300mg or not worth it, unless it is strictly for joint lubing. everything looks fine, but honestly u should run the gear for 12 weeks. u will see such better results. i would adjust to 12 weeks and then 300 or even 400 of deca

before i was advised against not taking deca at all. I was reading sev. articles how for beginners 200mg may be best of deca. 300mg would be fine if i knew if i was prone to "deca gyno" or not but then again i will have the dostinex in case that occurs

i have mixed feelings about cycling....mostly positive but as i said the needles are scaring me whenever i think about it.....lol!! (i'm sure i am not the only person to think this before their first cycle)

 

[krishna]

I agree with Bruce, although I've never done deca, I've done enough research and heard enough opinions to think that you'd be wasting your time with 200. Why not just do the test for your first cycle? That's what I'd do.

 

[sandman_007]

I agree with Bruce, although I've never done deca, I've done enough research and heard enough opinions to think that you'd be wasting your time with 200. Why not just do the test for your first cycle? That's what I'd do.

that's sorta what i wanted to do initially, but i read several articles that seemed to suggest that deca can be added to a first cycle w/ possible added results- most suggested between 200-400mg/wk and at least one i read said that if it's your first cycle to go with the lower end; and it's not like i have puny mass either right now.

i'll need to make my mind up on this soon. l8r!

 

[krishna]

500 of test is plenty for a first cycle no matter how big you are. Plus you can see how your body reacts to test alone so you can get familiar with how your body reacts to the sides from it. If you stack on your first cycle with deca, you won't know whether gyno you're getting is from estrogen or progesterone. Nolva will only work with test gyno.

 

[Raffaz]

500 of test is plenty for a first cycle no matter how big you are. Plus you can see how your body reacts to test alone so you can get familiar with how your body reacts to the sides from it. If you stack on your first cycle with deca, you won't know whether gyno you're getting is from estrogen or progesterone. Nolva will only work with test gyno.

I agree with this, but if you have already decided that your gonna do the deca, at least you have ya dostinex and nolva handy to combat the gyno from all angles. You still wont know what ya prone to though for future cycles.

Mick

 

[Neo22]

500 of test is plenty for a first cycle no matter how big you are. Plus you can see how your body reacts to test alone so you can get familiar with how your body reacts to the sides from it. If you stack on your first cycle with deca, you won't know whether gyno you're getting is from estrogen or progesterone. Nolva will only work with test gyno.

so if he takes nolva and dostinex while on it wont matter. His first cycle is going to be his best. If he only decides to do this Just ONCE let him stack.

 

[LVTitan]

heavy frickin dbol too for a beginner cycle..
drop ur dbol to 25mg day, especially with test and deca, you're already to going to blow the fuck up bro !!

 

[krishna]

so if he takes nolva and dostinex while on it wont matter. His first cycle is going to be his best. If he only decides to do this Just ONCE let him stack.

Right take dostinex too if you're gonna do both. I was just saying that he won't know where his gyno symptoms are coming from if he does both. I must of missed the part that this was going to be his only cycle. Then again, that's what a lot of people say until they decide to do it again.

 

[ryan04]

I did that cycle for my 1st and blew the fuck up. Except I ran deca @ 300 mgs a week and sust @ 750 mgs a week (overkill, I know). Up the deca dose and run it for 12 wks. Also, run nolva throughout the cycle or you'll get pretty bloated...not the ideal summer body. Good luck bro!

 

[glover]

I too would recommend you go 12 weeks with the injectibles. For first cycle 200 deca is fine I just got off 250 deca/Anavar and had good results. In fact you should lower the test. No need to overdo first cycle you can bump the dose next cycle. You'll find it takes more and more juice for your body to respond as you use. Try 250 to 300 test and go 12 weeks. Then you can add 50 to 100 per cycle on subsequent. This will give you good results.

Also use an oil base test like enthanate and just mix with deca for one shot of 2 cc per week since your needle shy. Good luck.

 

[jayboy]

ok heres what you need to do, if you have mixed feelings hold off on your cycle and keep doing research tell your mentally ready. now if you want to work out with the 150lb dumbells like me, then i would take 400mg of deca with you 500 test, take vitamin b6 @800mg ed to prevent progestrone gyno (deca gyno) and keep your nolva handy if you start to see any kind of gyno sighns.

 

[Neo22]

ok heres what you need to do, if you have mixed feelings hold off on your cycle and keep doing research tell your mentally ready. now if you want to work out with the 150lb dumbells like me, then i would take 400mg of deca with you 500 test, take vitamin b6 @800mg ed to prevent progestrone gyno (deca gyno) and keep your nolva handy if you start to see any kind of gyno sighns.

Since when does b6 prevent gyno?

 

[jayboy]

Since when does b6 prevent gyno?

it helps with progestrone gyno, why dont you do some research and find out

 

[sandman_007]

i got some milk thistle and vit b6 today to start out with and collect....."legal" sups hehe

 

[LVTitan]

it helps with progestrone gyno, why dont you do some research and find out

i have never heard of this either...care to give us some references to back this up ???

 

[Neo22]

it helps with progestrone gyno, why dont you do some research and find out

Quit being such a cumhog and post up your sources of imformation. Obviously I'm not the only one on this site that thinks your full of shit. Lets use a little common sense here. Ok, here we go. 99% of the people on this site recommend dostinex for a tren or deca cycle to prevent progesterone gyno. You are the 1% that has recommended b6. In which you come back with some bullshit statement because you can't back up your info. Either post up your almighty info so all of us don't have to waste $150 on dost or STFU.

 

[sandman_007]

ive heard....

deca gyno= dostinex
other gyno= nolvadex

 

[LVTitan]

ive heard....

deca gyno= dostinex
other gyno= nolvadex

without getting too technical, yeah, you heard right.