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Bruce

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hey everybody my next cycle will be eq iranian test and tbol, just so you know this thread is not for a friend who is actually me. my good friend has been competing in ufc like fighting for a year. he is fighting in a tourney and the winner can get on the ufc show. he is 6 foot and has gotten to 190 natty, but no matter how he diets and lifts hes still not that cut up, though he has been lifting for 4 years. he is begging me to make him help him with a cycle. his goals are to stay in that 190-200 range but get shredded and stronger. he wants an edge in his next fight. what do you guys think would be best for him. he does not want to use test, i thought maybe winstrol for 6 weeks or eq 400 a week for 12 weeks, any input. he has used test once but only for 6 weeks, he doesn't know juice, and i know he should do his research but this kid can fight and i wanna help him get into awesome shape. we all know steroids are not magic but his work ethic is awesome and i don't have a problem coaching him through this.
 
Just out of intrest, what kind of fighting experience does he have? I would think Var or Winny would be good for his purpose.
 
i agree but his funds are somewhat limited. i agree though cause var strengthens the joints and tendons. i have known him for 6 years in college. as fresh-junior year we took kenpo jujitsu, the Tracy style, from Brian Klein one of the only students of sifu motosi, the best kenpo sifu in the world. we also took muay thai for a year and wing chun with augustine fong who was taught by Yip Man who taught, Bruce Lee. Tucson has great martial arts teachers. i quit a two years ago, i learned what i wanted, but my by Cam has stayed with it and is now training with a guy who does full contact. i don't know this guy though honestly. we had purple belts in kenpo jujitsu, though i don't care about belts. there were no belts in muay thai nor wing chun. so six years of mixed martial arts and now primarily training for combat. he is just a natural turns into an animal.
 
I too have competed in NHB. It is one of the few sports where I would honestly recommend cheque drops. The fighter without fear has the advantage. M´kay...
 
i too was gonna recomend cheque drops, but since the last i heard they were all but impossible to locate, i figured i wouldnt mention it. yeah if you know a source for those then that would be the shit. they say tyson was taking those when he bit off ol' boys ear !!
they are very popular among fighters. very potent, something like a few mcg per dose !!!
 
yeah can't find that or halo from any of my friends. so what do you guys think anavar or winny if he doesn't wanna spend that much ,or how about tbol? for 4 weeks? thanks bros
 
I agree with LVtitan on the stenox. That shit is toxic as hell but it will make him hard as nails and turn him into a raging beast in the ring.
 
like i said can't get that, i guess i could give him drol, or tren but he's not down with the sides. those are the only hard core ones i can get, halo is nowhere neither are cheque drops. he's already an animal we just wanna make him stronger faster better
 
Red Rocket said:
I agree with LVtitan on the stenox. That shit is toxic as hell but it will make him hard as nails and turn him into a raging beast in the ring.
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Don't get all up in arms, RR...

Stenox is just the Mexican brand of Halotestin.....

Halo is 17AA just like any other 17AA oral.......don't get it twisted.

If you're gonna say Halo is "toxic as all hell" you might as well add Anavar, Winstrol, Turinabol, Dianabol, Anadrol and Methyltestosterone to the mix...

Please people....unless you've tried the shit, don't make it out to be worse than what it is.....





DIV
 
yes the drug test but this is a tournament to get on the show. once on the show they test, and in the real UFC they know when they are going to be tested
 
untamedgorilla said:
1-10 600mg EQ
7-12 50mg winny ED, make him alot stronger, more intense, ALOT more shredded and vascular and not a lot of weight!
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don


he said they get tested and eq stays in your body for a long time
 
DIVISION said:
Don't get all up in arms, RR...

Stenox is just the Mexican brand of Halotestin.....

Halo is 17AA just like any other 17AA oral.......don't get it twisted.

If you're gonna say Halo is "toxic as all hell" you might as well add Anavar, Winstrol, Turinabol, Dianabol, Anadrol and Methyltestosterone to the mix...

Please people....unless you've tried the shit, don't make it out to be worse than what it is.....





DIV
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I believe Halotestin has a reputation of being hard on the liver because it has more bonds to break down before it can become active. As far as I know other oral steroids have less of these bonds to break down. These bonds include a 17-a methyl group, a 9-a fluorine, and a 11-OH group (dianabol for example contains the same bonds with the exception of the flourine bond and a different arrangement as well). However, notice the fluorine -- this is not present in dianabol, anadrol, winstrol, or anavar; furthermore it is a VERY toxic element. Notice halo is fluoxymesterone -- that is where the fluorine comes from and you will not find it anywhere else.

And I hate to break it to yeah, but research has suggested that fluorine acts in a carcinogenic manner (that is it transforms normal cells into cancer cells). Beyond this, fluorine's negative effects on the immune system, bone density, and increased risk of Alzheimer's Disease have been well documented. You don't even need literature to discover this, a simple google search could give you all the answers you need here.

So 17aa is not 17aa. Of course the 17aa effects are dose dependent; the more you take the greater the chance of liver problems.

And in regards to 'unless you've tried shit' -- I am sorry, but I don't need to fill my body with fluorine to know it is bad for me.

That said I think liver problems resulting from 17-aa AAS useage are overrated. I ran accutane for 13 weeks (which is fairly liver toxic) along with some dianabol at the start and my liver values didn't budge. They increased maybe 10% but it is certainly not a cause and effect relation; a correlation likely exists that is large enough to be deemed statistically significant, but nothing too large. So were AAS a factor? Maybe, but not a significant one. I was also on milk thistle and NAC at the time at double the daily doseage -- this also would have an impact on the postive side of things. Furthermore my liver values have never strayed from the acceptable range during any oral useage, although its always been pretty minimal by many peoples standards.
 
Oh and one thing I forgot to note is that fluorine also contributes to accelerated tumor growth. That coupled with a supressed immune system contributes to ideal conditions under which cancer growth could occur. So it does seem pheasible that this is an alternate explanation for fluorine being a carcinogen, while at the same time explaining why the correlations between fluorine and carcinogenic activity exist.
 
I think something hard like drol would ware him out in the ring. I couldnt imagine doing MMA while on say....DBOL throw about 20 strikes then your shoulders will be engulfed in pain from the pump, or take a few shots and take-downs and ur back might get inflammed. I'd say Var, but thats just me its safe and i dont think it will compromise any of his abilitys. If his joints are prone to aching Winny might add to the stress. I'm doing MMA and using Winny and when i'm done sparring my joints usually my elbows are killing me! A good dosage of var would be excellent, but now i think of it i remember you saying there was a price limit?
 
alright fellas between test winny, or eq winny what does everyone think. i like that eq winny cycle untamedgorilla made that would work well for him i agree. also i think the eq will give him an advantage as far as similar agreed
 
I would rock the EQ if I were him. He won't gain much weight, but he will change his appearance and be stronger. I wouldn't mess with the winny, that is a brutal sport, why make your joints more brittle?
 
I just know your joints and tendons take a pounding in that sport, all of the wrenching and violent torquing. I wouldn't want to make my joints any more susceptible to a career ending injury.
 
i agree, do you think he should take a small dose of deca for the joints. or just eq alone? also Siverbackn how do get this hcg powder out the amp. its like a 1ml amp i have my bac water. will 1ml of water dissolve that enough?
 
I would go with EQ even because it's alot easier on your joints. But most of the NHB fighters I know use WINNY. Not sure why they love it so much, but that's what they use...
 
they don't believe in pain thats why. if he had the money i would tell him var cause it strenthens the joints and tendons. eq sounds good though he'll have plenty of stamina from the red blood cells, and he can get shredded from it.
 
bruce410 said:
i agree, do you think he should take a small dose of deca for the joints. or just eq alone? also Siverbackn how do get this hcg powder out the amp. its like a 1ml amp i have my bac water. will 1ml of water dissolve that enough?
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Deca definitely wouldn't be a bad idea. Umm, I'm not sure about the HCG situation. The powder is in a 1ml amp (like sustanon? or regular gear?) and the bac water is in a normal 10ml amp. I know the HCG dissolves pretty much instantly but I am not sure if that is enough. Mine has always come in two 10ml amps. Anyone else know anything bout this?
 
silverbackn said:
Deca definitely wouldn't be a bad idea. Umm, I'm not sure about the HCG situation. The powder is in a 1ml amp (like sustanon? or regular gear?) and the bac water is in a normal 10ml amp. I know the HCG dissolves pretty much instantly but I am not sure if that is enough. Mine has always come in two 10ml amps. Anyone else know anything bout this?
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it looked a lot smaller it held about 5ml of bac and dissolved quick. just weird mixing stuff seems unsterile and its hard to get the hcg out of the amp once its liquid
 
muay thai...man I cringe each time they slam their shins together. Those guys are frigin tough.


bruce410 said:
i agree but his funds are somewhat limited. i agree though cause var strengthens the joints and tendons. i have known him for 6 years in college. as fresh-junior year we took kenpo jujitsu, the Tracy style, from Brian Klein one of the only students of sifu motosi, the best kenpo sifu in the world. we also took muay thai for a year and wing chun with augustine fong who was taught by Yip Man who taught, Bruce Lee. Tucson has great martial arts teachers. i quit a two years ago, i learned what i wanted, but my by Cam has stayed with it and is now training with a guy who does full contact. i don't know this guy though honestly. we had purple belts in kenpo jujitsu, though i don't care about belts. there were no belts in muay thai nor wing chun. so six years of mixed martial arts and now primarily training for combat. he is just a natural turns into an animal.
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wayneboard1 said:
muay thai...man I cringe each time they slam their shins together. Those guys are frigin tough.
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bro if you wanna fight in thailand, this is not from kickboxer, you really have to kick a tree down. my teachers shins are the most hideous things i have ever seen. cause if you can't kick down a tree your leg will break like a twig its how they condition their shins. its like wing chun where i take a bag filled with ball bearings, some punch steel, and hit it 100-1000 times a day. then when you punch someone with 1/3 of your power you shatter their face. if you can punch a brick wall with full force and not hurt your hand think about what you would do to a face. ugh
 
I would have him hit a 12 week cycle of EQ. The gains come alowly and steady. It will be easier for him to adjust his diet to stay the same weight if the gains are going to be coming slowly.
 
thats what i am gonna propose, shamrock you think 400mg a week or 600? haha i know u know what i think but he isn't tryin to bulk like i do
 
psychedout said:
I believe Halotestin has a reputation of being hard on the liver because it has more bonds to break down before it can become active. As far as I know other oral steroids have less of these bonds to break down. These bonds include a 17-a methyl group, a 9-a fluorine, and a 11-OH group (dianabol for example contains the same bonds with the exception of the flourine bond and a different arrangement as well). However, notice the fluorine -- this is not present in dianabol, anadrol, winstrol, or anavar; furthermore it is a VERY toxic element. Notice halo is fluoxymesterone -- that is where the fluorine comes from and you will not find it anywhere else.

And I hate to break it to yeah, but research has suggested that fluorine acts in a carcinogenic manner (that is it transforms normal cells into cancer cells). Beyond this, fluorine's negative effects on the immune system, bone density, and increased risk of Alzheimer's Disease have been well documented. You don't even need literature to discover this, a simple google search could give you all the answers you need here.

So 17aa is not 17aa. Of course the 17aa effects are dose dependent; the more you take the greater the chance of liver problems.

And in regards to 'unless you've tried shit' -- I am sorry, but I don't need to fill my body with fluorine to know it is bad for me.

That said I think liver problems resulting from 17-aa AAS useage are overrated. I ran accutane for 13 weeks (which is fairly liver toxic) along with some dianabol at the start and my liver values didn't budge. They increased maybe 10% but it is certainly not a cause and effect relation; a correlation likely exists that is large enough to be deemed statistically significant, but nothing too large. So were AAS a factor? Maybe, but not a significant one. I was also on milk thistle and NAC at the time at double the daily doseage -- this also would have an impact on the postive side of things. Furthermore my liver values have never strayed from the acceptable range during any oral useage, although its always been pretty minimal by many peoples standards.
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Yes, yes.....psyched out.........I know about Halotestin's triple bonded molecule, but is there any evidence out there that shows any correlation between fluoxymesterone and increased liver cancer in human subjects. I don't take rat studies all that seriously and often they use megadose type levels to get the effects they are looking for. Of course everything is genetic and people respond differently. In my experience, my liver values haven't increased whether I've been on Halo, Winny or D-bol.....never had increased liver values on a lab test. They all effect my lipid levels, but that's the extent of it.

I think the flourine added is a mixed blessing.....it makes the drug more potent because it stays in the liver longer before it can be passed which also doubly stresses the liver.

I just think people make too many generalizations regarding Halo, when they need to try it themselves and see how it works for them.






DIV
 
i'm with div, though i haven't taken halo, but i have read studies that people who have aids take dbols every day for months and don't have liver damage. and as i have posted before, my boy who is stubborn as a mule so don't bother knockin him. plus he's 6 foot 205 at 5%, but he takes inject winny which is supposed to be toxic for over a year non stop, no problem.
 
Negatory on the check drops. I know a source but they are pretty much useless, especially for MMA. If you want to get thrown out of a fight for biting off your opponent's ear, then yes, they are for you. But they are like a one shot adrenaline thing and can mess up your liver really fast if you try them for more than 2 weeks.

Also, IIRC, doesn't the UFC have some tests for this stuff? Also, if he cuts right, he will be in a better weight class. I can't imagine why he would want to stay in the same weight class. I guy I saw fight dropped 30 or so lbs in a month to get into a weigh-in. He walks around at 190 but got into the 160 class and then rehydrated for the fight.
 
bruce410 said:
it looked a lot smaller it held about 5ml of bac and dissolved quick. just weird mixing stuff seems unsterile and its hard to get the hcg out of the amp once its liquid
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Good deal! I'm glad it worked out.
 
for fighter i would say halo, makes you mad at the world, aggression, strength, without a weight increase.

I'm sure division would agree
 
psychedout said:
Oh and one thing I forgot to note is that fluorine also contributes to accelerated tumor growth. That coupled with a supressed immune system contributes to ideal conditions under which cancer growth could occur. So it does seem pheasible that this is an alternate explanation for fluorine being a carcinogen, while at the same time explaining why the correlations between fluorine and carcinogenic activity exist.
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