cycle advice

[Brad102]

a few questions :

1) is there any significant difference between test. cyp. and test. enanthate ? (cyp is 3 bucks cheaper so...)

2) is there a difference between a 8 week cycle of sust. 500mg/w and 500mg/w. test ?

3) if I opt for test. instead of sust, I guess there is no need to kickstart the cycle by adding anything else, is there ?

4) if I opt for sustanon, is winstrol appropriate to add in the beginning ?

thanx for your help

 

[TxLonghorn]

1. no significant difference
2.sust is test, so no real difference (too little to mention)
3.test is test and sust is test
4.it is always appropriate to add winny. to any stack

 

[shokjosh456]

sust is 4 types of testosterones in 1 injection.cyp is similar to eth.they both have a high water retention rate.test prop is good if u dont like feeling bloated.winny is good to add to anything but winny is normally used for cutting.the gains u get from winny are not great but u keep almost all of what you gain as opposed to sust or test.

 

[Brad102]

so basically, if I can save 70$ by injecting 500 mg/week of TESTEX ELMU (test. cyp) rather than 500 mg/w of Sust, then I go for it...

Ok, I feel like I'm making some progress now.

 

[polar707]

kickstart

if you really feel like kickstarting your cycle (if you decide to go w/ cyp or enanthane), you could either throw some dbol in there or some prop. They are both good jumpstarters.

Polar707

 

[TxLonghorn]

Ok, I feel like I'm making some progress now.

The progress starts when to sharp object pierces the ass, lol. Until then, it's all theory.

 

[decem]

sust is 4 types of testosterones

actually, there is only one type or testosterone - sust has 4 different esters, winny can add considerable muscle mass - 10-15 lbs from what i've read of people personal experiences, and you can keep almost all of what you gain with test if you play your cards right.

brad

3) actually, i think you would have faster gains with sust since it has some faster acting esters than cyp and enan.. but you could jump start it with dbol if you wanted to add something else.

4) most people add the winny at the last 6-8 weeks of their cycles to harden up at the end and help solidify gains..

 

[Brad102]

ok then... in order to fit my budget, what's the best deal :

8 weeks plain sust 500mg/w

or

8 weeks 500mg test. cyp + 3 week winstrol 100 mg/w

(both with clomid at the end and a proper diet)

knowing that it is my first cycle
I'm looking to bulk up
I don't easily put on fat
I'm currently 140 lb. (?) and 176 cm

 

[TxLonghorn]

Definitely go with the test/winny.

Oh yeah, definitely! Wait a minute. 100mg/week for 3 weeks?

Ok, maybe forget the winny. Maybe try dbol for 4 weeks at 30mg/day. That would be cheap.

Or, find some ttokkyo deca, that's cheap and do it at 300mg/week.

 

[Brad102]

well, actually, I'm quite confused as to the usual dosage for winstrol...

 

[TxLonghorn]

A good dose of winny is 50mg/day if you want to see results. That works out to 350mg/week. And since it takes about 2 weeks to start feeling it, and since it continues to give results...most people use it for at least 6 weeks.

I still think you would be happier with a test/deca cycle and no orals. It might take 3-4 weeks to kick in, but you will be very pleased with your results. As opposed to a test/dbol cycle that I think you will be disappointed with when you come off cycle.