Cycle Advice...

[Neologic2k]

Hi all,

I'm sure this has been asked a million times but I would like some advice on my next cycle. It's my 5th cycle.

Stats
35
94kg
13%bf

Full Bloods week 0 and week 17

Clean diet for a 10 week cycle.

Week 1-10 testE 500 PW Tue-Fri
Week 1-6 TestP 200 PW Mon-Thur
Week 1-10 Tren A 200 PW Wed
Week 6-10 HCG 1000iu PW Mon-Thur

I've run this before with good results and gains. I'd would like to add the following to my next cycle

Week 1-10 Letrozole 2.5mg ED
Week 5 & 6 Clen ED 40/40/40/60/60/80/80/60/60/40/40 then two weeks break and the same for Week 9 & 10
Week 1-10 Taurine 3000mg ED
Week 1-10 Potassium 1000mg ED

Week 11-12 break
Week 13 Nolva 40 ED
Week 14-16 Nolva 20 ED

I'm happy with the start and PcT my question is around the use of the AI, not prone to gyno but should I take the letrozole anyway? Also the clen stack, would like to get some thoughts about the cycle and when to run the Taurine/Potassium, should I run from day 1 or wait until I start the clen?

So much research has gone into this but would like to get thoughts...

 

[Neologic2k]

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[Anabolic187]

Hi all,



I'm sure this has been asked a million times but I would like some advice on my next cycle. It's my 5th cycle.



Stats

35

94kg

13%bf



Full Bloods week 0 and week 17



Clean diet for a 10 week cycle.



Week 1-10 testE 500 PW Tue-Fri

Week 1-6 TestP 200 PW Mon-Thur

Week 1-10 Tren A 200 PW Wed

Week 6-10 HCG 1000iu PW Mon-Thur



I've run this before with good results and gains. I'd would like to add the following to my next cycle



Week 1-10 Letrozole 2.5mg ED

Week 5 & 6 Clen ED 40/40/40/60/60/80/80/60/60/40/40 then two weeks break and the same for Week 9 & 10

Week 1-10 Taurine 3000mg ED

Week 1-10 Potassium 1000mg ED



Week 11-12 break

Week 13 Nolva 40 ED

Week 14-16 Nolva 20 ED



I'm happy with the start and PcT my question is around the use of the AI, not prone to gyno but should I take the letrozole anyway? Also the clen stack, would like to get some thoughts about the cycle and when to run the Taurine/Potassium, should I run from day 1 or wait until I start the clen?



So much research has gone into this but would like to get thoughts...

Too much test imo.. Total 700mg per week.. You're 35 thats way above your natural production why not just go with 500mg per week.. You'll end up holding a lot of water plus high blood pressure..

13% body fat as a start is excellent for a 10-12 week transformation would love to see your end results..

I personally hate clen.. The sides and mood swings are just not worth it.. You do lose a bit of water or maybe not gain much water while on it but at 13% im not sure you would really need it.. Might be wrong since your test dose will be too high and above average.

Arimidix is much better than nolva based on my past experience.. I found it to be more potent. I dont feel soreness around nipple areas even coming off a high test dosage.

Also use it for 4-6 weeks atleast.. Maybe last 2 weeks of your cycle and 4 weeks after if you have enough.. Nolva or arimidex whatever you have..

Btw i used letro @ .5 ed and it killed my joints.. Although i already had shoulder and knee injuries from martial arts and weight lifting. Not sure what 2.5ed would do, but if you tried it before with no dramas go for it. Good idea to start from week one even though a lot of people say you dont need it as your test levels are stable during cycle but for a peace of mind and to avoid soreness around nipple area go for it , i dont see any harm in it.

Get more pct meds if possible since you're stacking test and tren.. Especially tren as it is very harsh.. Tren would probably help you more than clen to achieve your results and stay dry and hard..

Keep us updated ️

 

[Neologic2k]

Thanks for the reply!

Noted about the T being high, wanted to front load the cycle to get the benefit of a short Est so only week 1-5, I could drop the test E to .75ml twice a week then up again is week 6, would keep it to 500?

The let and clen is a new addition so will have to play around with dose, but take on board your comments about dose, will start with smaller dose.

Will post before and afters

 

[Anabolic187]

Thanks for the reply!

Noted about the T being high, wanted to front load the cycle to get the benefit of a short Est so only week 1-5, I could drop the test E to .75ml twice a week then up again is week 6, would keep it to 500?

The let and clen is a new addition so will have to play around with dose, but take on board your comments about dose, will start with smaller dose.

Will post before and afters

Yeah good idea. Btw if you're injecting .75mg test e plus 200mg test p that'll give you 350mg of test a week? Or you planning to up your test p 150mg for a total of 500mg test per week? Is that what your saying?

Personally i tried small and big doses of test. My sweet spot is around 250-300mg a week and my results were amazing compared to my previous 0.5,1,1.5 and 2g of test a week which was a pretty dumb (me not you) idea on my behalf. Always thought more was better. I was wrong. The less test i used the better results i achieved.

Anything above 200mg and less than or equal to 300mg a week of test yielded amazing results from my experience and i mean quality wise much better than higher doses. But then again everyone's different plus we might be using different gear altogether.

It is said that an average healthy male produces around 40-70mg of natural test per week, so imagine what 250mg would do. 300mg and you're way above your natural production level. 500mg is just way too much you're just wasting your gear imo and asking for trouble in the long run.

Try 300-350mg per week as a start (front load) then finish off your cycle on 250mg if your gear is legit you will be amazed by the results you get from a lower test dosage. Dont forget your AI's, especially if you're front loading too as your test levels will drop throughout your cycle.

It does make a big difference i wish i started with a low dose of test back in the day rather than abusing every AAS in the market to fight bloat and other sides etc all because i thought more test means more muscle gains.

Thanks mate and yes please keep us updated. Good luck!

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[Neologic2k]

Ok... So based on your advice, I'll run the following cycle;

Week 1-10 testE 250mg PW (2x .5ml\125mg)Tue-Fri
Week 1-6 TestP 100mg PW (2x .5ml\50mg) Mon-Thur
Week 1-10 Tren A 200 PW (1x 1ml\200mg) Wed
Week 6-10 HCG 1000iu PW (2x 500ui)
Week 1-10 Letrozole 0.25 ED
Week 5 & 6 Clen ED 40/40/40/60/60/80/80/60/60/40/40 then two weeks break and the same for Week 9&10
Week 1-10 Taurine 3000mg ED
Week 1-10 Potassium 1000mg ED
Week 11-12 break
Week 13 Nolva 40 ED
Week 14-16 Nolva 20 ED

I also have clomid to hand just in case.

Do I take the potassium/taurine only when taking the clen or front load a few days before?

Cheers

 

[Anabolic187]

Ok... So based on your advice, I'll run the following cycle;

Week 1-10 testE 250mg PW (2x .5ml\125mg)Tue-Fri
Week 1-6 TestP 100mg PW (2x .5ml\50mg) Mon-Thur
Week 1-10 Tren A 200 PW (1x 1ml\200mg) Wed
Week 6-10 HCG 1000iu PW (2x 500ui)
Week 1-10 Letrozole 0.25 ED
Week 5 & 6 Clen ED 40/40/40/60/60/80/80/60/60/40/40 then two weeks break and the same for Week 9&10
Week 1-10 Taurine 3000mg ED
Week 1-10 Potassium 1000mg ED
Week 11-12 break
Week 13 Nolva 40 ED
Week 14-16 Nolva 20 ED

I also have clomid to hand just in case.

Do I take the potassium/taurine only when taking the clen or front load a few days before?

Cheers

Much better bro..

Are you happy with your tren dose?

I dont run tren more than 8 weeks. Bad experience love results though.

If you're okay with letro leave it for pct and use the nolva during cycle. I personally feel like nolva isnt that potent bro based on my experience.

Cant stand letro either dries me up. Most people live it so it must be more potent. Use your best AI's when your test drops down eg end of cycle. On cycle your test levels are stable shouldnt experience much gyno sides but still take precautions keep an eye and be ready because everyones different.

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[Neologic2k]

Yeah..

Was just reading and will swap out the letro for Arimidex 0.5mg EoD, at 350mg PW on the test Arimidex should be fine.

Also what do you think dropping the tren to 175mg a week?

 

[Neologic2k]

Yeah..

Was just reading and will swap out the letro for Arimidex 0.5mg EoD, at 350mg PW on the test Arimidex should be fine.

Also what do you think dropping the tren to 175mg a week?

 

[Anabolic187]

Yeah..

Was just reading and will swap out the letro for Arimidex 0.5mg EoD, at 350mg PW on the test Arimidex should be fine.

Also what do you think dropping the tren to 175mg a week?

Good idea.. I would swap the nolva for arimidex. Always got sides while on nolva. Maybe im different.

I achieved great results with less than 200mg tren a week. Around 150mg split into 75mg/75mg..

Love tren.. Definitely not something you want to play with. Very harsh definitely shouldnt be run for long 8 weeks fine. I used tren on bulking and cutting in the past. Loved it.. Only down side was sides too many and theyre harsh.. All sorts of sides except for gyno, you name it..

Good luck ️

 

[Neologic2k]

Ok, swapped out the Letro for Arimidex at .5mg E3D as my test is on the low side and not prone to Gyno so every 3rd day should be fine. Also lowered the tren to 160mg PW. What are your thoughts to adding clomid 50/25 for weeks 13/14?

Week 1-10 testE 250mg PW (2x .5ml\125mg)Tue-Fri

Week 1-6 TestP 100mg PW (2x .5ml\50mg) Mon-Thur

Week 1-10 Tren A 160mg PW (1x .8ml\140mg) Wed

Week 6-10 HCG 1000iu PW (2x 500ui)

Week 1-10 Arimidex 0.5 E3D

Week 5 & 6 Clen ED 40/40/40/60/60/80/80/60/60/40/40 then two weeks break and the same for Week 9 &10

Week 1-10 Taurine 3000mg ED

Week 1-10 Potassium 1000mg ED

Week 11-12 break

Week 13 Nolva 40 ED

Week 13 Clom 50mg ED

Week 14 Clom 25 ED

Week 14-16 Nolva 20 ED

Cheers

 

[techstep]

1 gram of potassium every day? I don't know about that except too much potassium can kill you (heart attack etc). I would not supplement with potassium outside of real food but I don't know what you're thinking.


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[Neologic2k]

Eeeeek....

Typo on my part! Should read 100mg daily.

 

[Neologic2k]

Clen lowers the Pot levels, although I am eating clean just wanted to have some to hand during the two week clen cycle. It will be my first time running clen

 

[The Disciple]

As anabolic said tren has a lot of sides, my worst was the night sweats. I have decided never ever to have tren during summers, cos summers are really hot here.
Clen is also the same but results are amazing. Would you use an ECA stack too with clen?

Cycle looks great just keep posted.
Good luck.

 

[Neologic2k]

I've run tren before at higher a dose, great results; but yeah, sweats!

The ECA, I'm not sure there is an advantage to stacking these; do you not cycle them instead, alternating 2 weeks on each one. I was under the impression they both working on the same pathways, except clen is more specific, and eca more general, but there is no synergy achieved by stacking- they use the same receptors?

Think I'll go with the cycle as it is :/))

Thanks guys!!! Will post some before and afters, as just waiting for a few bits to arrive still.

 

[toze_cabalero]

Hi guys, im noob here.
Start training at 13yo 2 days a week i was a fat boy lol ... stop training from 18 to 22 then back to gym 2 years then my 1 cycle now passed 6 months from my last day of pct from the 1 cycle.
BF was not measure with super machines is not acurate i dont think im to much but ok!
I saw this was for cycles advices.... Well im 25yo 87kg 18%bf 1.83m did 1 cycle before that was:
1-4 500mg test cyp
5-14 800mg test cyp
9,10,11 dbol 30mg day
12,13,14 winny 40mg day
Run anastrozol starting on week 7 ... 8 i think i was a bit bloated but no alarming gyno symptons.
PCT was simple nolva and clomid protocol for 4 week.
i jumped from 77 to 89 then losed about 2 ... 87kg now.
I trained hard but not toooo heavy because of my shoulder had a motocross acident 3 years ago.

So im here because im thinking on my 2 cycle...

1-12 test E 600mg week
1-10 deca 300mg week
1-4 dbol 30 mg day
10,11,12,13 winny 40 to 50 mg a day
PCT protocol the same
Anastrozol this time from day one .5mg day yes day no or .5 EOD sides will tell the suit spot

But i was thinking anadrol and dbol together on kick start like 50mg day anadrol and 30 dbol day OR just anadrol 50mg day ....
What do you think of the ratio deca test .. i probably on mid cycle up the test a bit but for sure first time on deca and deca dick i dont want.

My Goals from this 2 cycle are droping to 14% Bf and step up the scale to 90+ ... am i aiming to high ?!


Hug from portugal waiting for thoughts from you guys!
good lifts

 

[Saiyan7]

You should definitely drop to 14% before even starting the next cycle. AAS at higher bf% is dangerous.

That being said, you can run adrol and dbol together but at much lower doses of each. You can't run both at full strength. Cut them in half and that would be ok.

I would adex eod to start and adjust as needed.
I would also drop the test to 300-500. Some people say test higher than deca while others say deca higher than test. I would run them both at 300 and split it into two injections a week.

I also would NOT run an oral kickstart and an oral finisher. Pick on or the other. That's way too toxic to be done safely.

Hopefully some others will step in and agree with those points as well.
Definitely cut some bf before starting.

 

[Neologic2k]

Personally for a 2nd cycle it seems a little complex...

I would drop the test to under 500mg PW and maybe replace the debol with test P if it's a short ester your after to kick start.

Split your 500mg a week between the test P and test E.

Your AI looks ok but consider your age, your own test production will be quite high already so maybe 0.5 EOD and see how you go...

Then run a good PcT

Just my thoughts bro

 

[bigorse]

honestly i think a simple cycle like this would be much better for your goals

1-10 test p 100mg eod
1-10 tren a 100mg eod
prami and adex as needed and clen through out if you want the fat burner. even a low dose of t3 would be good as tren lowers t3

 

[Neologic2k]

Simple cycle for sure!

Although tren forms second cycle?

 

[bigorse]

Simple cycle for sure!

Although tren forms second cycle?

no a 10 week test and tren cycle

 

[fittwoinstruct]

I would change the tren to 100mg to be taking on MWF. Also, I would add hCG 500iu for 5 days in the a.m at the end for PCT.


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[bigorse]

I would change the tren to 100mg to be taking on MWF. Also, I would add hCG 500iu for 5 days in the a.m at the end for PCT.


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lower the dose but dont lower injection frequency it a short ester and pinning eod would be minimum

 

[Mia717]

Hi all,



I'm sure this has been asked a million times but I would like some advice on my next cycle. It's my 5th cycle.



Stats

35

94kg

13%bf



Full Bloods week 0 and week 17



Clean diet for a 10 week cycle.



Week 1-10 testE 500 PW Tue-Fri

Week 1-6 TestP 200 PW Mon-Thur

Week 1-10 Tren A 200 PW Wed

Week 6-10 HCG 1000iu PW Mon-Thur



I've run this before with good results and gains. I'd would like to add the following to my next cycle



Week 1-10 Letrozole 2.5mg ED

Week 5 & 6 Clen ED 40/40/40/60/60/80/80/60/60/40/40 then two weeks break and the same for Week 9 & 10

Week 1-10 Taurine 3000mg ED

Week 1-10 Potassium 1000mg ED



Week 11-12 break

Week 13 Nolva 40 ED

Week 14-16 Nolva 20 ED



I'm happy with the start and PcT my question is around the use of the AI, not prone to gyno but should I take the letrozole anyway? Also the clen stack, would like to get some thoughts about the cycle and when to run the Taurine/Potassium, should I run from day 1 or wait until I start the clen?



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