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Cutting, keeping muscle

lamatit

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Cutting while maintaining muscle mass after a bulking cycle.

By how much should someone lower calories, and.. what to take to preserve muscle, gear or anything else?
 
this goes against the traditional bodybuilder dogma, but Im not a bodybuilder so Ill give you my two cents for what its worth....dont freak out about counting calories, instead eat every 3-4 hours with super high protein each meal and veggies. If you can eat meat, fish, or fowl every meal plus a little veggies, lots of protein shakes, handfuls of BCAAs, EFAs, combined with interval training and appropriate lifting (ground based multi joint compound movements as your meat and potatoes lifts), you can drop the chub without getting technical about counting calories.....get super strict about the quality of your food intake being clean, and its not as essential to count calories if your low carb or keto...supplement tons of protein shakes, BCAAs, and EFAs, and I think you have the basics covered.
 
To a large degree I agree with power, you cut out grains/starches/sugars and stick to meats and fresh veggies its hard to overeat. If you do any sort of HIIT cardio though you may actually find you arent eating enough and may lose too much muscle so for if no other reason that having some emperical evidence, I like the idea of tracking cals, makes things easier to more accuratly adjust if things arent going as planned.
 
Fair enough my friend. I guess I have been lucky that even with double sessions, HIIT in the morning and heavy lifts in the afternoon, I have been on significantly reduced calories for periods and not lost mass on the meat and veggies, handful of BCAAs everytime I am in the kitchen, EFAs, and my normal HRT.

Im not a AAS guru so cant comment there for certain, but imagine from what I gather on here folks will bump Test, or do stuff like Primo, Mast, or Var while cutting calories and it helps retain muscle.
 
Fair enough my friend. I guess I have been lucky that even with double sessions, HIIT in the morning and heavy lifts in the afternoon, I have been on significantly reduced calories for periods and not lost mass on the meat and veggies, handful of BCAAs everytime I am in the kitchen, EFAs, and my normal HRT.

Im not a AAS guru so cant comment there for certain, but imagine from what I gather on here folks will bump Test, or do stuff like Primo, Mast, or Var while cutting calories and it helps retain muscle.

Really depends a lot on the cycle and the individual, those with more BF can drop cals more. Thats why I like to at least count cals so if things do go as I had hoped you can adjust a bit and arent just guessing.
 
clean clean diet, intense cardio and if fat loss Is your only goal while preserving muscle you could even run just a low dose of tbol or dbol like 10-20 mgs to keep them anticatabolic no need to waste money on primo var or mast
 
Cut out grains? I'm cutting now (naturally) and I eat up to 100g a day of carbs all from either oats or whole grains, or fruit/vegetables.
 
100g a day isnt much. if its working for you rock it brother! Everyones tolerance to carbs and their insulin response is different. I think some suggest cutting carbs out totally or just veggies, then slowly adding stuff in until you realize its not keeping you lean as you want, then you know at what point you need to keep carbs under to keep lean or drop chub.

I actually take carbs at times even if Im strict meat and veggies, say a light carb sports drink with whey protein in it, and a handful of BCAAs, beta alanine, and creatine during a training session, then after a big protein shake and resume meat and veggies diet.

I think everyone is different and there is no set protocol cookie cutter for all of us to follow...surely folks have been getting lean and ripped while using wheat products, yams and potatoes, and rice for years!
 
100g a day isnt much. if its working for you rock it brother! Everyones tolerance to carbs and their insulin response is different. I think some suggest cutting carbs out totally or just veggies, then slowly adding stuff in until you realize its not keeping you lean as you want, then you know at what point you need to keep carbs under to keep lean or drop chub.

I actually take carbs at times even if Im strict meat and veggies, say a light carb sports drink with whey protein in it, and a handful of BCAAs, beta alanine, and creatine during a training session, then after a big protein shake and resume meat and veggies diet.

I think everyone is different and there is no set protocol cookie cutter for all of us to follow...surely folks have been getting lean and ripped while using wheat products, yams and potatoes, and rice for years!

Branch Warren comes to mind... :)
 
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