Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below
L
leancuisine
Guest
so?
juiceismyantidrug
New member
I have tried to figure out this as well and even though I have been lifting for 5 years I am new to AAS and it seems a lot of advice been thrown my way over the past couple of months is to get the BF down to at least the low teens before you do a bulking cycle. A lot of experience bro's have told me they wished they had done this before bulking b/c most of them are always fighting the gain of fat during a a bulking phase whereas if they "cut" before they "bulked" the addition of some fat would not be as big of a deal. Bump for more opinions....
L
leancuisine
Guest
i feel the same.
i'd definitely first cut until i'm in the low teens or lower.
the rationale is quite simple:
if you bulk first then you gain a bunch of muscle, a bunch of water, and some fat, and when it's time to cut up, you'll probably lose most of the muscle that you gained during the bulking phase.
(as cardio will inevitably also burn some muscle).
logic says:
cut then bulk!!!
i'd definitely first cut until i'm in the low teens or lower.
the rationale is quite simple:
if you bulk first then you gain a bunch of muscle, a bunch of water, and some fat, and when it's time to cut up, you'll probably lose most of the muscle that you gained during the bulking phase.
(as cardio will inevitably also burn some muscle).
logic says:
cut then bulk!!!
I totally disagree that logic dictates that you should cut, then bulk. You can't carve a steak if there is no meat on the bone!
When bulking you build the raw mass that you will refine and shape when cutting. The additional muscle mass also increases your caloric maintenace level. This allows you to eat more (quality foods) when cutting, just to maintain the mass you've already built. The finished product has greater density and refinement....overall, a better physique.
If you cut first, you will regain some fat when bulking which will just need to be cut (again) when you're finished. So what's the point? From my experience, those who are worried about putting on additional fat during a bulking phase (particularly after cutting) don't eat enough and generally don't grow as quickly, or as well.
When bulking you build the raw mass that you will refine and shape when cutting. The additional muscle mass also increases your caloric maintenace level. This allows you to eat more (quality foods) when cutting, just to maintain the mass you've already built. The finished product has greater density and refinement....overall, a better physique.
If you cut first, you will regain some fat when bulking which will just need to be cut (again) when you're finished. So what's the point? From my experience, those who are worried about putting on additional fat during a bulking phase (particularly after cutting) don't eat enough and generally don't grow as quickly, or as well.
L
leancuisine
Guest
all those that said bulk then cut let me ask you something.
are you speaking from experience?
theories and philosophies are great and all, but please, unless you've tried it keep your comments to yourself.
are you speaking from experience?
theories and philosophies are great and all, but please, unless you've tried it keep your comments to yourself.
MikeyG
New member
I think that to some people 'bulking' is really exaggerated, that you will become too fat. This is not true, if one watches their caloric intake along and watch their carb/protien intake as well.
Sure enough you can pack on major size with minimal fat gain-- which requires lots of diet knowledge, and experience.
Sure enough you can pack on major size with minimal fat gain-- which requires lots of diet knowledge, and experience.
leancuisine said:
Let me ask you something......are you speaking from experience?
I have been in this sport for 10 years......very seriously for the last 3. I'm currently on a bulking cycle. My stats, as of this morning, are 6', 254, 13% bf. I will bulk, then cut......and I'll stand toe-to-toe on a stage with anyone who thinks the opposite "theory" is more appropriate.
If you search my contributions to this board, you'll find that I don't preach theory. I contribute advice based on my experience. Take it or leave it.......I'm not forcing my ideas, just offering them. Also, like I said in a previous post to you.....I only take advice from those who are bigger or freakier than me
Last edited:
from what ive heard, id cut before i bulk (this question has been asked on the diet board SO many times)
the general concensus is , cut then bulk ... a couple of reasons (and i don't vouch for thie vaildity)
a. insulin sensitity raises
b. fat cells don't increase (as you get fatter you create fat cells, but can never elmiinate them(
c. i can't remembner
the general concensus is , cut then bulk ... a couple of reasons (and i don't vouch for thie vaildity)
a. insulin sensitity raises
b. fat cells don't increase (as you get fatter you create fat cells, but can never elmiinate them(
c. i can't remembner
Similar threads
