Cut my cycle short?

[Spidey]

I was planning on an 11 week cycle.

weeks 1-3: fina (50 mg ed)
weeks 4-8: fina (50 mg ed) + test prop (50 mg ed)
weeks 9-11: test prop (50 mg ed)

The problem is, I have responded way more quickly than I thought I would and have already gained a full 20 lbs in 3 weeks and 2 days. And that was just on fina; I just did my first combination fina + test prop shot last night. By effectively doubling the dose of steroids in my body, I can only expect the gains to increase even further and more quickly.

I know people are going to immediately start calling "bullshit" here but that's the real story. I have no reason to make this shit up. I am worried that I am gaining too fast and my tendons are not going to be able to keep up. I am going to end up ripping a tendon or something if I keep this up for the full 11 weeks. Shit, I'm gaining almost a pound a day and it's not slowing down; my strength is way up too

I have made an abrupt decision to cut my cycle down to 6 weeks. I figure I will have gained at least 30 lbs by then if not 40. My problem now is I don't know quite how to structure my post-cycle recovery and now I am running out of time to make a plan and get the stuff I need. Is 6 weeks on fina enough to totally shut down my HPTA? Do I need to go on the standard clomid therapy at the same dosage that I would have used with the 11 week cycle? I need a little advice from the vets here.

BTW, thanks to all you guys who answered my PM's about post cycle recovery. Do your answers to my PM questions change because my cycle is shortened to 6 weeks?

-Spidey

 

[Spidey]

Bump. Come on guys. Same dosage of clomid?

-Spidey

 

[Stillgoing]

Spidey, many here are much more knowledgable on post-C therapy than me, so I will leave that for them. I would like to say, however, #1 congrats on some absolutely amazing gains. I am not sure if gaining a pound of muscle a day for 3 weeks straight is even physically possible!?!? How much of this is water do you think? But more importantly, #2, your likely making an error in judgement if you extrapolate your gains so far over the length of the cycle. It sounds like you will make incredible gains on this cycle, but, odds are your not some genetic freak who will transform into a mass monster over the course of one cycle. It just doesn't work that way. Point is, you will likely make some additional gains, but, you will not gain more than 20lbs of solid, sustainable muscle over the course of the cycle. I think cutting your cycle from 11wks to 6wks is a mistake. Your cycle seemed reasonable, stay the course and do proper post-C therapy. Further, you've got the additional issue of breaking the rule - you didn't have "a full closet" when you started. I think cutting to 6wks will slight you of gains you could sustain and put you at risk of losing what you've gained. My 2cents.....

 

[Golden_Muscle]

I would stop at 6 weeks.

 

[Willyumyum]

I would use the same clomid therapy that you had planned for the 11 weeker...

Post cycle, I like to run something like this:

clomid for 21 days (28 days on things that shut you down extra hard ie deca, fina, etc...)
clomid day 1 - 300mg (split doses throughout day)
clomid day 2-12 - 100mg/day (split doses throughout day)
clomid day 13-21 (or 28) - 50mg/day

I also like to throw a little clenbuterol, nolvadex, and proviron into the mix...
something like:
nolva 20mg/day throughout clomid therapy
clen 60mcg/day for 2-3 weeks (idea, but not totally sure --> Clen's effectiveness for fat burning decreases significantly after two weeks of consitent use, but I'm wondering if the same is true for the increased protein uptake and anti-catabolic properties it posesses... In any case, I take it for those two properties (and for the duration of clomid, not two weeks on/two off)
proviron, just for sex drive, 50mg/day throughout clomid therapy...

That's what I like to do, it may seem excessive to some but it works for me..

YUM

 

[Spidey]

Spidey, many here are much more knowledgable on post-C therapy than me, so I will leave that for them. I would like to say, however, #1 congrats on some absolutely amazing gains. I am not sure if gaining a pound of muscle a day for 3 weeks straight is even physically possible!?!? How much of this is water do you think?.....

I'm not sure how much is water but I don't have that smooth swollen look so I don't think the majority is water. Also, since fina doesn't aromatize, water gains should be minimized. I gained 10 lbs in the first week alone. I have read posts by more experienced people who said they gained 5-7 lbs of water weight the first week of fina and then no more so maybe 5-7 lbs of that first week's gains were water. I won't know for sure until I get off cycle and I loose any water weight I have gained.

People at work are already suspicious. At least two people have out-right asked if I am using steroids; the change in my physique is that apparent. I'm still thinking about what I plan to do here. This is an extremely hard decision for me. The gains are addictive but I hear all these horror stories about people ripping their tendons to pieces and shit and I don't want to go there. I can always do another cycle later if I want even more mass. I am wavering here; 6 weeks......11 weeks.......6 weeks.....11.....

-Spidey

 

[Canuck4]

Yep, you still need to run clomid post cycle with 6 weeks of fina.
I suggest 300mg on day 1, then use 100mg for the next 10 days, followed by 50mg for 10 days.

 

[Spidey]

Yep, you still need to run clomid post cycle with 6 weeks of fina.
I suggest 300mg on day 1, then use 100mg for the next 10 days, followed by 50mg for 10 days.

Thanks for the input. I tried to give you some karma but it said I have to spread it around first. Oh well, I can only give grey right now anyway . It is the thought that counts right?

-Spidey

 

[Sigmund Roid]

A significant part of your weight gain is from increased blood volume, glycogen stores and errr bowel contents from bulking.

Another idea: why don't you change your bulking diet to a cutting diet, while keeping the same dosages? In this way your total body mass will stabilise, while you gain a little muscle and loose lots of fat. This will keep off the strain you will experience when you gain too much body mass in a short time, i.e. high blood pressure etc.