Critique this first cycle please

[bornagainhard]

10 Weeks

Deca 300mg/wk
Winny 30mg/ed - last 3 weeks

Pretty basic low dose cycle...I want to see how I react to this.

Any suggestions welcome...should I run the winny any longer?

Maybe only run 250mg deca?


btw, I am 220lbs, 27 yrs old been training natural for years.

 

[Mavy]

Thats some good weight you have bro. What is your bf? I personally stay away from Deca, but if you did your homework and purposely chose Deca than go for it. 300 mgs/wk is not that harsh and you should respond well with this being your first cycle. Have a decent post-cycle program ready. Winny will help combat gyno a little with the Deca, but have some nolva on hand just incase bro. You are experimenting with yourself the first time around.

 

[bornagainhard]

Thanks,

I guess I'm somewhere around 12% bf or so at the moment...

chose deca because it seemed to be the safest bet in terms of minimal side effects...

I will def have some nolva and clomid on hand for post cycle.

why do you stay away from deca?

 

[bornagainhard]

seems to have more potential for side effects than deca....although, i'm sure people will have varying opinions on that.

 

[papucho]

why didn't you use any test.?

 

[Mavy]

Why not use EQ. Far less sides than Deca. Or even better use primo.

 

[papucho]

Why not use EQ. Far less sides than Deca. Or even better use primo.

But make sure it's not fake though..

 

[OrangeJuice]

A lil too late at nite to explain in detail, so here is my opinoin:
Deca is def not the safest in terms of minimal side effects, i dont know where you got that one from. maybe you mistook it for that stupid "best gain vs side effect ratio" about Deca, and if you spend not too long in the bodybuilding world, you'll find out thats not true either. Deca acutally has more complicated sides than many of the other steroids. EQ is a good idea, gains-wise it is very similar to Deca w/o that nasty water retention bloat.
In my opinoin, just run EQ only at 400mg/week for 6-8 weeks. For a first cycle its best that you run only one substance so that you learn how your body reacts to AAS. The less thigns you run the less confouding variables you have to deal with when evaluating yourself. However throwing in the winny is not a problem at all, just throw it in for 4 weeks toward the end of the cycle. Winny should def not be run shorter than 4 weeks. You have a solid base to work with there, you sound ready, so have fun. If you want me to explain anything in more detail or have more quesitons, feel free to PM me.

 

[bornagainhard]

A lil too late at nite to explain in detail, so here is my opinoin:
Deca is def not the safest in terms of minimal side effects, i dont know where you got that one from. maybe you mistook it for that stupid "best gain vs side effect ratio" about Deca, and if you spend not too long in the bodybuilding world, you'll find out thats not true either. Deca acutally has more complicated sides than many of the other steroids. EQ is a good idea, gains-wise it is very similar to Deca w/o that nasty water retention bloat.
In my opinoin, just run EQ only at 400mg/week for 6-8 weeks. For a first cycle its best that you run only one substance so that you learn how your body reacts to AAS. The less thigns you run the less confouding variables you have to deal with when evaluating yourself. However throwing in the winny is not a problem at all, just throw it in for 4 weeks toward the end of the cycle. Winny should def not be run shorter than 4 weeks. You have a solid base to work with there, you sound ready, so have fun. If you want me to explain anything in more detail or have more quesitons, feel free to PM me.

well, from what i've gathered, the worst of deca sides are the water retention and loss of sex drive....which I (think I) can deal with. From what i've read gyno usually isn't a problem at low doses, nor hairloss or acne....which are my main concerns. This is why I decided not to do test first time around.

Originally, I was looking to do anavar and primo, but found them quite hard to get, and rather expensive.

I did some reading on EQ last night (Anabolics 2002)...seems to be comprable to deca...what's the biggest advantage? Less bloat?

 

[OrangeJuice]

well the thing with deca is that its sides are progesterone related....not estrogen related like most other AAS, so if and when you do get gyno from deca, its very hard to deal with, there are drugs that deal with it, but there not that effective. same goes with any other sides from deca. So when you get the sides, your kinda stuck with them. I mean its not that bad, espeiclaly at the doses your running their quite mild, i just would rather go with EQ. EQ has almost the same gains as deca without the progesterone related problems, plus their is no bloat. Anavar and primo would be a solid cycle, two probelms though: both are very expensive, so if money is a concern, def not the way to go. And finidn real primo is very hard nowadays, 95% of primo you get now is fake. Not worth it unless your 100% sure its primo in which case you should definately get your hands on it. Along with fina it is the best steroid out there IMO.

 

[bornagainhard]

well the thing with deca is that its sides are progesterone related....not estrogen related like most other AAS, so if and when you do get gyno from deca, its very hard to deal with, there are drugs that deal with it, but there not that effective. same goes with any other sides from deca. So when you get the sides, your kinda stuck with them. I mean its not that bad, espeiclaly at the doses your running their quite mild, i just would rather go with EQ. EQ has almost the same gains as deca without the progesterone related problems, plus their is no bloat. Anavar and primo would be a solid cycle, two probelms though: both are very expensive, so if money is a concern, def not the way to go. And finidn real primo is very hard nowadays, 95% of primo you get now is fake. Not worth it unless your 100% sure its primo in which case you should definately get your hands on it. Along with fina it is the best steroid out there IMO.

I've read way too much bad shit about fina, yet for some reason tons of guys swear by the shit....I guess they don't mind dealing with the sides.

thanks for the help bros

 

[dinoallbino]

A lil too late at nite to explain in detail, so here is my opinoin:
Deca is def not the safest in terms of minimal side effects, i dont know where you got that one from. maybe you mistook it for that stupid "best gain vs side effect ratio" about Deca, and if you spend not too long in the bodybuilding world, you'll find out thats not true either. Deca acutally has more complicated sides than many of the other steroids. EQ is a good idea, gains-wise it is very similar to Deca w/o that nasty water retention bloat.
In my opinoin, just run EQ only at 400mg/week for 6-8 weeks. For a first cycle its best that you run only one substance so that you learn how your body reacts to AAS. The less thigns you run the less confouding variables you have to deal with when evaluating yourself. However throwing in the winny is not a problem at all, just throw it in for 4 weeks toward the end of the cycle. Winny should def not be run shorter than 4 weeks. You have a solid base to work with there, you sound ready, so have fun. If you want me to explain anything in more detail or have more quesitons, feel free to PM me.

So true! My first cycle was EQ for 12 weeks@ 400 - 600 and Dbol week 1-4, then winny 10-15. Threw on 19 solid pounds and kept almost all of it. Super vascular and hard. Ate like a champ, but you can't help it with the EQ.
Ran Deca/Cyp second cycle and floated around for 10 weeks on my bloated ass. And I swear Deca makes you breath stink like a mechanic's shirt!

 

[bornagainhard]

shite...I thought I had this all figured out....now I am second guessing this whole thing....

what to do....


i guess it also depends on whether or not I can get my hands on some EQ

bump for more opinions

basically, I am paranoid as shit concerning side effects, especially permanant ones.

 

[TerminatorX]

Personally I think Deca sucks... it shuts you down HARD and is much harder to recover from than other AAS.

Also like mentioned earlier, deca may lead to prog gyno. However, if you include winnie like you mention, this has a counter effect and can help to stop prog gyno from occuring. However, you would have to be taking winnie for the duration of the deca for this to help.

Your call bro.

Peace

 

[dinoallbino]

For real man, score some EQ. I was in the same shoes on my first cycle, scared to death of shrunken balls and bitch tits. Thats why I ended up with the EQ. I think I would have been just as happy without the dbol, but damn did my strength shoot through the roof before my EQ kicked in.
All in all though I can't say enough about EQ, you can run it higher than a lot of AS and still have low sides. I ended up with an extra bottle and couldn't help but run weeks 7,8,9 at 800mg. No added bloat, just growth, and an appetite like no other. Which I think is another perk. When you're on you need to eat more than you really want to anyway, EQ solves that problem, and then some. Thats probably half the reason I gained as much as I did was my apetite.

 

[bornagainhard]

bump



according to Llewellyn in Anabolics 2002, EQ is supposed to cause something like 20% more bloat than deca??

I know...I am probably overthinking this and I should just make a decision already



anyway, if I did run EQ instead, should I keep the winny?

 

[dinoallbino]

OH for sure, you can't go wrong with EQ/winny stack. Vascular and Hard. Just run the winny in the latter half of the cycle.

And as far as the bloat thing? I dunno about the book, almost all literature bumps deca for some reason, but if you ask around, its not all its hyped up to be. I wish I woulda asked around before I tried it for my second cycle instead of EQ.
But hey, either way you're gonna grow, but if the sides worry you, can't go wrong with EQ.