"criticism by decem" thread is bullshit.. please read

[decem]

this is in regards to this "criticism by decem" thread that was heinously created under my handle.

yes i posted those replies.. and i still stand by my convictions.

the fact that the thread was created... with just my comments... and under my name is complete bullshit.

just because i open my mouth around here, recognizing no authority and not trying to kiss anyone's ass, and saying what needs to be said sometimes............ some scumbag (whoever it was - whoever ulter's bitch is i should say) thinks it is their right to create the post under my name in an obvious attempt to deliberately get me kicked off the board by manipulating the karma system, with its no supposed flaws" through trying to convince people that i'm a bigger asshole than i really am.

yes... i can't stand ulter... and i say it.

it is not at all uncommon for anyone on this board to engage in ad hominen argumentation.... even moderators...

so why should it be any different for me.... simply because i expose who ulter truly is and what he's all about (utilizing this board to exploit the drive of many to improve their physique by backing and asking other "high status" members to back his crap products that don't really work?

is it because he has the other board? is it because he is in "olympian" status?

that's crap. if i can't say what the hell i want when i want than i don't want to participate. if i can't flame on particular person because he is in a higher status.. or has a few fricking kissasses to do his bidding.. you can take this board and shove it.

btw..... i'm not even close to being the only one that is in disagreement of mr. ulter.. not by a long shot.

oh yeah.. back to the original point. whoever the moderator is that did this is guilty of a blatant abuse of moderator's powers. this should not... and can not... be tolerated. if i get bad karma from something i post then fine.. but for someone to set me up, through abuse of their privileged status, with the intention of my collecting multiple bad karma points so that i can get kicked off the board is bullshit and the act should not go unpunished.


i demand to know who did this.

 

[needleboy]

Decem,

I agree, if a MOD is using their status to create fake posts they should be kicked off the board. As for the Yohimburn, I will wait and see if results materialize.

I have no problem with Ulter(as of now), and the fact tht he pimps some of his products doesn't bother me a bit. What would bother me is if I were to find out he had MODs, or ther members of the boards lying to boost his sales.

Asfor you, I think your a HOOT, I like people who speak their minds, as I am prone to doing that myself.

 

[Enigmaxxx7]

i don't know who ulter is either and i have no beef with whoever he is.

but if what you say is truth decem, i think that it is totally wrong of a mod to do that. mods should not manipulate the board to thier liking. they should just patrol the board, give solid advice, move unnecessary threads, etc.

 

[the_Pikey]

There is no reason a mod should be taking your posts in a thread and making them into a thread. That is abuse of power.

Whoever did this is wrong, and should admit it and apologize now, before distrust spreads.

 

[Ulter]

I am not sure what it is you are whinning about. That is your post. Nobody wrote that but you. I am guessing it was set up as a thread to draw attention to the post and no one likes attention more than you do so what's your problem? I think you are a conspiracy nut. You have accused 3 mods and a half dozen members of lying about products that are sold at The AF Store. To what end are these people lying. You think these people post lies just to boost sales in a little online store they have no interest in? What's the matter with you? Everyday members post about products that work for them. Mods are just people doing the same thing.
Do you think everyone who posts about Ttokkyo has a vested interest?
Do you think everyone who posts about Oxandrolone has an interest in BTG?
Yohimbine hcl burns fat decem. That is a fact that has been proven in studies around the world. You can hate me for being one of the people who provides it, but that doesn't make it any less effective.

 

[the_Pikey]

Hey Ulter, you are a good guy, and I know you two have your differences, BUT try to put yourself in the other position for a second.

If you made a post in a thread, and all of a sudden you found it to be its own subject posted for everyone to make comments on, well its not right. Wouldn't you be pissed that someone was doing this? Even though it is his words, they are taken out of context by claiming that he wishes for everyone to see and make comments on it - regardless of what it says.

When you post an opinion in a thread, its more of a comment about the original post. When you START a thread, its like you are asking for everyone to see it and post comments about your opion.

Its not a HUGE big deal, but it is still something of which whoever started a thread with his post, did not have permission.

 

[Ulter]

Maybe I just don't get it then. This is not the first time in the last year and a half that I have been here that someone has posted something on a thread that a mod felt should be moved instead of deleted. If any mod objected to his post they would delete it. Someone must have felt it was not in the spirit of the thread it was on. Maybe because it was on a thread where someone asked for positive feedback it was set aside on it's own thread to let those with negative feedback post as well. I am only tossing out ideas because I don't know why it was moved. But it does happen all the time.

 

[decem]

That is your post. Nobody wrote that but you. I am guessing it was set up as a thread to draw attention to the post and no one likes attention more than you do so what's your problem? I think you are a conspiracy nut.

THAT IS COMPLETE FUCKING BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!!!

the bros on the board know me much better than that dumbass... you done fucked yourself..

thank you ulter.. thank you for proving me right... that you are a liar and manipulator..

look at the read count dipshit...... it's fucking 1218.... so you're saying that "my thread" got 1218 views in 12 hours?

why would anyone buy that? do you think the bros on this board are as dumb as you?

honestly?

 

[Enigmaxxx7]

quote:

"look at the read count dipshit...... it's fucking 1218.... so you're saying that "my thread" got 1218 views in 12 hours? "


hmmmmm. enigmatic indeed. there is a stench in the air, something is definitely not copacetic with that thread.

 

[Ulter]

Swearing and name calling again huh? Ok well that leaves me out of this after I say.... I didn't say it wasn't moved. You might want to re-read my posts. I said it happens all the time and you shouldn't feel picked on.
You can go ahead and reduce the level of intelligence on this thread and hence this board on your own. It seems you can't even hold a discussion.

 

[DaMan]

Dude (decem),

I'm always one for a good flame war, but are you bashing AF products because you don't like ulter, or because the don't work? If it's the former then shit, if I were a mod I'd have just deleted your posts because that's a waste of board space. If it's the latter then we'd love to hear your first-hand experiences on why you believe Tyler and Yohimburn etc. are no good. Personally I love Yohimburn... (and no, I'm not part of the conspiracy, I disagree with enough of ulter's posts (IP!), but imho he's done a good job with the af store's selection!).

Just my $0.02...

 

[The Almighty]

look at the read count dipshit...... it's fucking 1218.... so you're saying that "my thread" got 1218 views in 12 hours?

When I checked out the thread yesterday (10/29) there was supposedly 2 views yet over 1100 posts. I, for one, now totally believe decem on this one. Something fishy is going on.

 

[THE FIREBRAND]

Decem......this is me Bro......STORM SHADOW......I just wanted to say that you WON when Ulter made the statement that nobody tries to get more attention than you. He used rhetoric to try to win & now it's back fired......Ulter sounds more like a wife than a man after saying that.

Ulter.......if you're going to debate....don't use a woman's way of trying to win......win on the merit of fact......don't be a wussy. You would never have survived debating me in world politics in front of an audience using that method......you would have been laughed off the stage.

 

[1Banshee]

Decem and Ulter,
You have both shown yourselves to be knowledgable members who are an asset to the board. I am very unclear in reading this post what has happened, for certain. What I do know is this thread has degenerated to an unbeleivable low!!!
Decem,
I understand your anger and here I am with you. A mod or George should do the right thing here and find out how this happened and make appropriate corrections. If that means the lose of a mod then so be it. Where you and I differ is in your means to deliver your message. There is no reason for the name calling, it only serves to dimish the crediblity of your post and point. It make the argument seem like the rantings of someone immature. I know that is not the case I know you are a good bro, with alot to contribute. So why stup to a level that some are trying to push you to?? They win, by making you seem less intelligent, and unable to make a point except through extereme anger and name calling. I know that is not the case!!!! This board could do with alot less "flaming" and more intelligent discussions.
Ulter,
Whatever has truely occurred here. I would expect you of all people would be inclined to find out the truth..? Why not?? Whether you agree or disagree with Decem's comments, the fact remains or appears someone has taken upon themselves to put the discussion in a new forum, under a members name!! Doesn't that bother you? I know you from both boards and you are very helpful, and knowledgable!!! You contribution on my posts have always been appreciated!!! From the little I can know about people over a keyboard, I would think you could or would want to assist in getting the bottom or whatever occurred here? Put aside personal feelings...
Sorry for my rantings, I am just confused as to how this is becoming such and incredible waste of space. Do not take that to mean I don't believe your complaint is legitamite Decem. Quite the contrary, I beleive a mod or George should have reacted to this immediately and agreed to investigate the situation, rather than let it continue to fester and grow with more members becoming involved and forming opinions that may not be based in fact. Do the right thing!!!!

 

[Ulter]

The Almighty and easbah, I don't know what the count is and I don't see the relevance of it. Let me make this clear, I didn't move decem's post. I am not a mod here but I don't see what difference it makes if his post would have been left on the thread he wrote or moved here. One of the mods moved it and that's for them to answer if they feel the need.
Storm Shadow, Win what? I didn't realize this was a contest. Your personal attacks and chest pounding declarations of victory over a some debate that never took place are juvenile. If you support swearing, name calling (as I see you do), and personal attacks as a way to conduct a discussion or debate I have no time for you either.

 

[DaMan]

Argh, are you people all stupid or something??? Ulter is not a fucking mod on this board and hence does not have the ability to split threads.

I'll bet a cycle it was macro who usually does this when arguments get out of hand (see alambrose & par deus threads) and yes, this is usually on Yohimbine HCL discussion, but shit, am I the ONLY ONE to notice that Ulter can't do that kind of stuff on this board???

Think before you flame.

 

[THE FIREBRAND]

The Almighty and easbah, I don't know what the count is and I don't see the relevance of it. Let me make this clear, I didn't move decem's post. I am not a mod here but I don't see what difference it makes if his post would have been left on the thread he wrote or moved here. One of the mods moved it and that's for them to answer if they feel the need.
Storm Shadow, Win what? I didn't realize this was a contest. Your personal attacks and chest pounding declarations of victory over a some debate that never took place are juvenile. If you support swearing, name calling (as I see you do), and personal attacks as a way to conduct a discussion or debate I have no time for you either.

No......actually you escalated the problem when you replied to Decem that nobody craves more attention on the board than him.

tsssssk tssssssk

 

[the_Pikey]

Hey Ulter, I am not trying to take sides, I commend you for keeping your calm.

Decem, we all know that the post was obviously moved to its own thread, and not by you. George or mods should look into this.


So guys, why don't you agree on the fact that you have different views, and move on.

Let's let bygones be bygones and stop any and all personal attacks and/or name calling.

Okay?

As Banshee said, you are both assets to this board, and we wouldn't say that if we didn't think it.

Lets just be adults and squash this now, okay? I know you both will do the right thing.

 

[1Banshee]

Argh, are you people all stupid or something??? Ulter is not a fucking mod on this board and hence does not have the ability to split threads.

I'll bet a cycle it was macro who usually does this when arguments get out of hand (see alambrose & par deus threads) and yes, this is usually on Yohimbine HCL discussion, but shit, am I the ONLY ONE to notice that Ulter can't do that kind of stuff on this board???

Think before you flame.

Im not sure here if you are referring to my post?? If not ignore this... I make no claims that Ulter is a mod. What I am sure of is Ulter has the ability, contacts and clout to at least assist in getting the bottom of this. I am sure if he were to take an active interest in getting to the bottom of this problem he could at least help get results!!!

 

[The Almighty]

Im not sure here if you are referring to my post?? If not ignore this... I make no claims that Ulter is a mod. What I am sure of is Ulter has the ability, contacts and clout to at least assist in getting the bottom of this. I am sure if he were to take an active interest in getting to the bottom of this problem he could at least help get results!!!

DaMan, when did Banshee of I say or even hint that ulter was a Mod. All I said that there was something fishy going on here. It may have something to do with ulter, but at the same time it may not. That is the point...we do not know and it would be in our best interest to get to the bottom of this.

"Think before you flame."

 

[Ulter]

Can you guys take a minute and explain to me what advantage there is for me to have the thread split? I don't see it. It may be as plain as day but I am missing the whole point. It wasn't my doing, it was done way after I went to bed BTW. But please answer me.
I keep asking this question I know but really what do I stand to win by that thread being split.
Decem posted something negative about a product (which as usual he has never used) and instead of that post being buried in a long thread somewhere it is out in the open for everyone to see in it's own thread. This is not an advantage to me guys. Trust me here, if someone makes up negative things to say about our products I don't want them at the top of the board as a topic.

 

[Fonz]

Can someone fill me in here?

While one of you fills me in, you shoud all know that
a Moderator tracking program is in effect so
however did it will be easily caught.

Just a matter of checking the thread #

Fonz

 

[DaMan]

Decem,

I agree, if a MOD is using their status to create fake posts they should be kicked off the board. As for the Yohimburn, I will wait and see if results materialize.

This is what I was referring to. There's another one up there but I'm too lazy to quote.

 

[1Banshee]

Can you guys take a minute and explain to me what advantage there is for me to have the thread split? I don't see it. It may be as plain as day but I am missing the whole point. It wasn't my doing, it was done way after I went to bed BTW. But please answer me.
I keep asking this question I know but really what do I stand to win by that thread being split.
Decem posted something negative about a product (which as usual he has never used) and instead of that post being buried in a long thread somewhere it is out in the open for everyone to see in it's own thread. This is not an advantage to me guys. Trust me here, if someone makes up negative things to say about our products I don't want them at the top of the board as a topic.

I and others I am certain are not saying you split the post or even had a part in it. But Ulter you must admit it looks odd. Given that I would think you of all people would want to get to the bottom of this?? Again Ulter I know you to be a good bro, with alot of information and from what I have seen integrity, that is why I look to you here...

 

[macrophage69alpha]

I just saw this or I would have replied earlier.

1. I SPLIT THE THREAD

2. I split it because it was it HAD no VALUE in the thread- It was a personal dispute/ATTACK between DECEM and ULTER, which has its origins in the Tyler's Thread. Which quickly degenerated into flaming and personal attacks-

3. Their opposing posts in the aforementioned thread had already degenerated into flaming

4. It could have been deleted, but was split so that DECEM and Ulter could express their opinions

5. THERE WAS ABSOLUTELY NO INTENT WHATSOEVER TO MAKE DECEM "LOOK BAD" OR "DAMAGE HIS KARMA".-

peace

btw- the name of the new thread was appropriate and in No way intended to skew the argument on way or the other

btw2- Decem and Ulter both made good points in earlier arguments (with respect to tylers) but many things were taken personally and it degenerated to name calling and personal attacks- ruining a good discussion about tylers (whether for or against)

 

[ultragainz]

why cant we just all get along

 

[liftsiron]

Thanks for clearing this up Macro. Decem your a good guy, and Ulter your products suck, not really I believe that their may be some beneifit to yohimb products. Peace Bro's

 

[the_Pikey]

Alright, see that everybody?

I think everyone had their own reasons for dong what they did.

Let's all try to keep bashing away from personal attacks.
If names never got involved, this wouldn't have started in the first place.

If anybody starts pointing at a particular person within their posts in which the thread had nothing to do with the person, then you can't complain regardless of what a mod does to your posts.

Ok, we all learned something, so we're all good.

52 Belly option on 2, on 2, ready... Break!

 

[panerai]

Hey, Decem, what do you think of MuscleTech? or TwinLab?
In a matter of fact, if you are public advocate now, can you suggest one universal supplement company that make product to your liking?
Let us know....what do you use as supplements?

 

[1Banshee]

Thanks Macro for clearing this up!!!! I have to say given your reasons for spliting the post I absolutely agree!!!! There is at times way to much "flaming" and name calling on the board. The only suggestion I would have for mods, is have the courtesy to to note somewhere in the post who moved or changed it and a brief explaination of why... This would eliviate many misunderstandings, and conspiracy theories... Only a suggestion..

 

[Hill Billy]

When the flaming over takes a thread why not put a lock on it? That would keep things from being taken out of context.

 

[nbk]

Macro u´ve got my support 100%.

Decem: what do u expect when u attack ulter and 1 of his sources of income (af store)???

Ulter: i don´t give a shit if some of the products on AF.store are not really worth the $$. i admire ur store cus you listen to bb´ers directly and atend demand(thumbs up). u sell loads of cool shit (i haven´t gone into comparing the prices but think they´re quite ok). NYC and yohimburn are things people on the board where asking for and you gave them at good prices.

All those who flamed ulter and acused him without knowing the truth: now you now a little more about the story (please don´t take positions to quickly)

 

[BigAndy69]

I've used yohimbine orally at low doses and it definetly works very well. I can't even imagine how well the yohimburn would work. The AF store sells very few supplements, but they are good supplements that work.

 

[decem]

macro... thanks for fessing up to it.. though i feel (as 1banshee had mentioned) that you should have told me of the move.. and you should have made a note in the thread regarding the move.

as for everyone's saying that i was wrong for name calling.......you're right. it was immature, it was childish, and it made me look like an ass.. i was pissed off.. it was early... the guy called me a liar (or might as well have).. and i retorted with similar remarks.

nope.. i haven't used yohimburn.. but i wasn't even bashing the product at first.. simply pointing out that the pics that were posted showed nothing that couldn't be done with some extra cardio, a tan, and 2 months.. at which point ulter chimed in and it spiralled out of control from there.

i also can't prove that ulter is not "looking out for bb's.. and listening to what they need.. and blah blah"... that could all be very true.... i was pissed and made it a point to tell people what they have the capability of doing on their own.. (the whole recognizing the abuse of status.. and having cronies.. thing could be an option.... etc etc)..

at any rate.. sorry for the name calling there buddy.. i'll school you next time without the use of such immature/ignorant remarks..

 

[ultragainz]

dont know what to say

 

[therealj]

I have personally used and still do use yohimburn....it works...wtf else can I say...granted ulter promised me oral favors for saying this...but it still works..how anyone can have a personal vendetta with ulter is beyond me...as I said in the Tyler thread and I'll say again..all ulter has ever tried to do is help people...he carry's products that people ask for and that few have access to....where's the harm in that?..as for anyone who thinks ulter is just trying to make a fast buck...you're wrong...he was a millionare by 30 anyway