CoolColJ - question on form

[mekannik]

Checked out your clips from 04.01.15 - the clean and jerk clip in particular.

Just curious as to your cleaning the weight with your feet jumping out to the sides - exactly the way Chad Ikei said NOT to in the video clip you posted a while back.

Is this the way you were taught the technique? Do you have an opinion against what Chad recommends?

 

[JOKER47]

I'm bumpin' this, cause I am curious, too. Specifically for twio reasons:

1. CCJ had posted a vid of a guy at the gym doing that, pointing out the poor form, the leg spread in particular. (MUCH worse than in CCJ's vid of himself, though. MUCH.)

2. CCJ usually doesn't do anything right, wrong or indifferent without a specific reason, and I am curious to know what that is.

 

[PatsFan34]

Damn!!!

 

[coolcolj]

I jump my feet out because that's how far my feet need to go to clean a weight into the fulllsquat position.

You will notice sometimes I don't jump my feet out, with lighter weights because I don't need to squat with them or I forget. This is something I never used to do, but since I have been learning to squat clean, it is a requirement for me to do so now.
If you watch the previous clip I put up with 175lbs/195lbs, you will see me drop into a frontsquat with a pretty wide stance.

Some olylifters do this, some don't. I do this because I pull with a pretty narrow stance, same as what I use to jump, and there is no way I'm going to drop into a full frontsquat like that

If you look at the Pablo Lara 190kg powerclean and jerk clip, he does the same thing. Also the Botev Powersnatch and powerclean clip. He pulls quite wide already and still jumps his feet out further on the powerclean. Come to think of it just about every olylifter in those clips jumps their feet out slightly or a lot, even those Chinese kids
Other olylifters pull with wider stances so they don't need to jump the feet out to drop into a fullsquat, they are already in the right stance width. Some can just frontsquat with a narrow stance.


Now that guy with poor form just did a split, with no leg bend whatsoever, no triple extension, just a heave of the bar, hardly a powerclean at all

 

[mekannik]

Understandable.

My technique for the clean is to keep my feet parallel, at shoulder width if not a bit wider. This seems to work well given my long arms and trunk combination. Although my clean weight still blows.

For snatches I adopted (recently) the frog stance - insdie shoulder width with toes out. Seems to be working pretty well for me thus far.

So your response begs the question: Do you use the same stance width for both clean & snatch pulls? Is it a question of flexibility that limits your squat stance width?



discuss.....

 

[coolcolj]

Understandable.

My technique for the clean is to keep my feet parallel, at shoulder width if not a bit wider. This seems to work well given my long arms and trunk combination. Although my clean weight still blows.

For snatches I adopted (recently) the frog stance - insdie shoulder width with toes out. Seems to be working pretty well for me thus far.

So your response begs the question: Do you use the same stance width for both clean & snatch pulls? Is it a question of flexibility that limits your squat stance width?

discuss.....

Yes, I used my vertical jumping stance in both. Although pulling with a wider stance in snatches sllows a bit more stability and easier to keep the back flat at the start.

The pull stance is not the factor, the catch stance is what counts, since I have to be able to drop into the full squat psoition from where I rack the weights.

Just more stable with wider stance, I guess the same factors that apply to squats apply here. A wider stance allows one top stay more upright and vice versa. Plus like powerlifting, a wider stance reduces the body overhangs, moves the hips closer to the bar weight/centre of gravity and reduces ROM.

You see it all depends on what your doing powercleans/snatches for - if you intend to do the fulllifts then you gotta put your body in the same positon to do so. If you just powercleaning as an end in itself then that's different.
In my case powerecleans should be just squatcleans caught higher

 

[delldell2]

So when training for sports, use the same stance as jumping?

 

[coolcolj]

I guess it depends if you can get into the proper positions, whatever gives you the best training effect, power and comfort

 

[mekannik]

Coolness - another topic of discussion/opinion.

Topic: grip during clean & jerks

I utilize the hook grip (thumb wrapped inside of fingers during the clean and the snatch) but "release" it prior to attempting the jerk. More of a comfort issue than anything else. However from my other shoulder pressing and barbell bench excercises - I press with a thumbless grip. The only exception being dumb bells.

Do you switch grips in the catch/rest part of the clean & jerk or keep the same grip thru out?

Pro's/con's???



BTW - just watched the Timur clip again. Animal. I have my speed day this afternoon. Always great to watch that clip a couple of times before going in.

 

[coolcolj]

Well I release the hookgrip, but I have somtimes kept it in all the way through by accident

if you watch olylifters, they somtimes pull with a narrower grip, and the rack with open hands, then pop the bar off the shoulders on the recovery and grab the bar again, but with a wider grip before jerking it.

I prefer holding the bar on the jerk, more control, but some olylifters jerk with open hands.

Just a matter of preference

Well he doesn't look that fast for me as far as inspiration for speed day. Dimas looks much more explosive, as does quite a few other lifters that ahve or have not shown