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Controlling your choloesterol continued...

mobigsley

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Thought I should start this off as a new thread continued from the above mentioned.


did some tren and winny in 03 got tested and was high 291.

No juice since i get a test and its 235 with a 47 hdl triglycerides like 90 not bad

so needless to say coming from a 150 - 180 range in the past Im not happy.

Did 2cc durateston the day after the test I thought the results would come back fine.

Now that I have started I would like to add back some ip tren/prop or just some tren with a sus base,

Im nervous

forgot to mention I lost 35 lbs in the last 10 weeks I was pretty fat.

started guglesterones polycosinal high amounts of fish oils red yeast rice beta sitosterol couple other things I hope will help get me back down.

any advice?
 
Avoid ORALS and stick with your current protocol: "started guglesterones polycosinal high amounts of fish oils red yeast rice beta sitosterol couple other things I hope will help get me back down"

You're definitely attacking it from every angle.

FISH Oils are invaluable.........LOAD up (15-20 Grams per day)
 
Usually the biggest (non-drug) improvements will result from: loosing fat, maintaining a decent diet, and committing to regular cardio. In that order.

Most people see huge improvements by switching to a low carb diet, but let's face it, that's not all that practical. Basically, anything you can do to improve insulin sensitivity will help. Examine your diet, if you can find places to switch out "bad" for "good" carb's make the change.
 
Ulter said:
All steroids affect your lipids. So do some anti-e's. The question is so what? There is no evidence that short term flucuations in your lipids have any affect on your long term heart health. The people who develop CAD linked to poor lipid profiles have those profiles for several years.

Wood said:
This is definately true, but many take AS over the course of MANY years. Low fat diets (especially low trans saturated fats) and the use of supplements like policosanol can help.

Apolipoprotein B is a receptor on the LDL (bad cholesterol) that binds to the LDL receptor in the liver as the LDL is passing through in the blood stream. The apo-B attaches to the receptor, makes the liver suck the LDL into the liver tissue where it is dissolved and released inside the cell fluid (cytosol). This increase of cholesterol inside the liver cells triggers a reduction of HMG-CoA and turns off the cholesterol production process in normal people. Some people have reduced amounts of or faulty receptors, and other problems.

Elevated Apo-A is associated with good cholesterol (HDL).Elevated levels of Apo B-100 correspond to elevated levels of LDL

There are factors that influence the amounts of apo-B and Apo-A in our body including :

Elevated lipo b :
Biliary obstruction
Diabetes
Drugs such as: androgens, beta blockers, diuretics, progestins
Familial combined hyperlipidemia
Hypothyroidism
Nephrotic syndrome
Pregnancy

Apo B-100 levels may be decreased with any condition that affects lipoprotein production, or affects its synthesis and packaging in the liver. Lower levels are seen with:

Chronic anemia
Chronic pulmonary disease
Drugs such as: estrogen ( in post menopausal women), lovastatin, simvastatin, niacin, and thyroxine
Hyperthyroidism
Malnutrition
Reye syndrome
Weight reduction
Severe illness
Surgery


Lipo-A is good raises HDL

Apo A-I may be increased with:
Drugs such as: carbamazepine, estrogens, ethanol, lovastatin, niacin, oral contraceptives, phenobarbital, pravastatin, and simvastatin
Familial hyperalphalipoproteinemia (a rare genetic disorder)
Physical exercise
Pregnancy
Weight reduction

Apo A-I may be decreased with:
Chronic renal failure
Coronary artery disease
Drugs such as: androgens, beta blockers, diuretics, and progestins.
Familial hypoalphalipoproteinemia (a rare genetic disorder)
Smoking
Uncontrolled diabetes

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So here is a case where estrogen is not evil. Estrogen helps keep Apo-A up and Apo-B down, whereas androgens do the opposite and increase the risk of atherogenesis (plaque formation in the arteries).

Diabetes, smoking, use of diuretics, hypothyroid states, using beta blockers for blood pressure control - all ought to inspire a budding bodybuilder to exert more caution in regards to their cardiovascular risk.

Exercise, niacin, policosanol, weight reduction all can reduce the added risks that apo-A and Apo-B alterations pose. However since niacin is potentially liver toxic it seems common sense that it should be used cautiously by people using oral anabolics.

I dunno - there is still alot to learn about lipids and cardiovascular risk. Certainly diabetics, people with high blood pressure, or family history of heart disease should be cautious in their use.

Taken from anabolicfitness.net.
 
Nice info bros thanks, taking this Carlson (brand) cod liver oil suposedly one of the best sups you can take no matter what your goal is its two tsps. a day.

My blood test was right after I had lost the 35 so Im not sure how much it is going to change especially because I just started 500 test a week and am going to add in some tren/prop from the chinaman.

I had been on a 72 hr fast the day of my bood work (the 235 result) and had been doing long to moderate fasts for the sast 6 weeks.

I am wondering if after no food for that long that the body feeds the hormonal system by pumping up the cholesterol.

I do have a cardiocheck home test unit which they swear is accurate provided you do it correctly. I'm not convinced of its accuracy I havent proven or disproven it.

I have tested every day with it and have been getting much better levels like 201 then 206 today 190 Hdl has taken a hit I beleive from the cyp. it went 47 45 40 and today 27 its bee 8 days since my first shot.

Thoughts appreciated.
 
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