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[Cakalac]

I am no novice to AS by any means but I can't understand why people on this board are wanting to take d-bol and all these absurd amounts of test for their first cycle. I would not think that all this is needed on some of these guys first cycles. I once read on here that d-bol was for the more advanced users. Now, hell everyone is getting told to throw it in their cycles. Some are even being told to take it 8 wks and longer. Whatever happen to people giving intelligent info here. Some of these dosages that first time users are being told to use on here I find a little high. It just seems sometimes people get on here answering post just to be answering and not taking into consideration who they are talking to. Same goes for insulin,HGH. Why are some of you condoning this action by beginners? Soon we will have a bunch of diabetics w/ kidney failure and a heap of other problems running around. Whatever happen to the days of doing 3-400mgs of test, eating right, training hard and making solid gains. Most beginners are not going to go to the doctor and get the proper test done anyway so don't put their health in jeopardy w/ slin,hgh ect. In defense of the ones on here that know what they are talking about and you know who you are. Thanks for everything you do, the board appreciates it. But for the ones that are just trying to get their name on the board, quit fucking posting, sit back and learn something your damn self.

Good Lifting,
Cakalac

 

[mike57]

You could talk to 10 different guys and you'll get 10 different opinions. The biggest problem I see is that a lot of these first timers are young kids who shouldn't be using in the first place.

 

[JonP]

i really liked this post, the first 50 times someone wrote a post saying basically the same thing.

 

[Ulter]

550 posts in a MONTH???? Wow, you must have a lot to say.

600mg/wk yeilds nearly twice the gains of 300mg/wk in the same time. If you're going to go through all the hassel of cycling i.e. buying the AS, shooting the AS, risking sides, then it makes more sense to get more out of it. The sides are exactly the same.

 

[Zoomster]

550 posts in a MONTH???? Wow, you must have a lot to say.

600mg/wk yeilds nearly twice the gains of 300mg/wk in the same time. If you're going to go through all the hassel of cycling i.e. buying the AS, shooting the AS, risking sides, then it makes more sense to get more out of it. The sides are exactly the same.

This is very true. There are many factors to consider for first timers. Things like how old they are, how long they have been training, how close they are to their natural potential, height and bodyweight.

It used to be that you could barely get a response if you didn't post your stats. I also have noticed that a lot of the bro's that were around giving solid advice on cycles don't seem to be around much anymore.

It seems as if the quality of this board is going downhill somewhat. Where are the good bro's hanging out these days?

 

[JibbyJabba]

550 posts in a MONTH???? Wow, you must have a lot to say.

600mg/wk yeilds nearly twice the gains of 300mg/wk in the same time. If you're going to go through all the hassel of cycling i.e. buying the AS, shooting the AS, risking sides, then it makes more sense to get more out of it. The sides are exactly the same.

I suppose this this sort of mentality works for those who aren't averse to staying on cycle all year. Which, I believe, is something you have said you do...

Maybe "the sides are exactly the same" (though I would tend to think your prostate and testicles might disagree) between a small cycle and a large one, but a newbie is not mentally ready to do a large amount of Test their first cycle.

Here's is what I am getting at:

Newbie A - he does a cycle of 40mgs of Var for 8 weeks and gains about 15lbs. After his 8 weeks of not drinking, he inevitably does what most all Newbies do - he goes out and parties with his new body. I mean, he's young and now the ladies are noticing him more and he's been so disciplined the past 8 weeks... he feels like it's time to party. When he get's it all out of his system, he's down 5 lbs or so and now sees that post-cycle is a crucial time. His post-cycle loss is probably not so huge, or atleast noticeable to others, that he feels compelled to do another cycle immediately.

Newbie B - same as Newbie A, except he did 600mgs of Test for his first cycle and gained about 30lbs. When his post-cycle partying is all said and done, he is down about 15lbs...people are like, "dude...what the fuck happened? you used to be way bigger..." So... this Newbie is immediately planning his next cycle.

I understand why you recommend high dose cycle... I just don't understand why you would recommend it to a person who is new to AS. It's like inviting them into a long-term commitment to AS and I think it's a mistake.

 

[danger_dj]

I think stats are very important before dispensing any advice. My advice to anyone new is - don't do any AS. But if they insist, then I will help. Playing with someone's endocrine system is very serious buisiness and advice shouldn't be given out lightly. No matter how well something worked out for yourself, doesn't mean peaches and cream for the newbie that you are helping.

One of the biggest problems I see is that the newb could have bought fakes and doesn't gain a thing, or even worse gets ill. The point - do a lot of research, months and months of reading and seeking advice. Try to get a full spectrum from the big "NOs to AS" to the "It's safe, do as much as you like" somewhere in between is the truth and enough advice to make an informed decision.

 

[Lumberg]

I suppose this this sort of mentality works for those who aren't averse to staying on cycle all year. Which, I believe, is something you have said you do...

Maybe "the sides are exactly the same" (though I would tend to think your prostate and testicles might disagree) between a small cycle and a large one, but a newbie is not mentally ready to do a large amount of Test their first cycle.

Here's is what I am getting at:

Newbie A - he does a cycle of 40mgs of Var for 8 weeks and gains about 15lbs. After his 8 weeks of not drinking, he inevitably does what most all Newbies do - he goes out and parties with his new body. I mean, he's young and now the ladies are noticing him more and he's been so disciplined the past 8 weeks... he feels like it's time to party. When he get's it all out of his system, he's down 5 lbs or so and now sees that post-cycle is a crucial time. His post-cycle loss is probably not so huge, or atleast noticeable to others, that he feels compelled to do another cycle immediately.

Newbie B - same as Newbie A, except he did 600mgs of Test for his first cycle and gained about 30lbs. When his post-cycle partying is all said and done, he is down about 15lbs...people are like, "dude...what the fuck happened? you used to be way bigger..." So... this Newbie is immediately planning his next cycle.

I understand why you recommend high dose cycle... I just don't understand why you would recommend it to a person who is new to AS. It's like inviting them into a long-term commitment to AS and I think it's a mistake.

Wow I think you are overanalyzing a bit there.

 

[JibbyJabba]

Wow I think you are overanalyzing a bit there.

You're right... what was I thinking? Nothing is shunned more on EF than informed analysis...sorry.

 

[genarr4]

Every post you read on this board has to be taken with a grain of salt. You don't know exactly who is sitting behind the computer, fat slob, teenager who thinks he knows everything. What you have to do is read for a very long time to realize who is the real deal and who isn't.

 

[Lumberg]

You're right... what was I thinking? Nothing is shunned more on EF than informed analysis...sorry.

All I am saying is that not everybody immediately goes out and gets wasted after their first cycle is over.

 

[mike57]

A very good point that was brought up is just who is giving the advice. I have seen on many occassions guys who were just newbies a few months ago, young guys who did mabye 1 cycle giving advice to other newbies. These guys have no real world experience and are dispensing advice about things they know little about. This is why you must be very carefull whose advice you take, as stated before it could be a 16 year old sitting behind the keyboard. Diet advice is even better, I just saw on another board one newbie advising another newbie who was just starting out to use a ketogenic diet to begin his training regimen. This is just terriffic advice, I mean to start out in a glycogen depleted state with flat looking muscles and no energy, you see this kind of stuff every day and can only wonder.

 

[JibbyJabba]

All I am saying is that not everybody immediately goes out and gets wasted after their first cycle is over.

Than I think you meant to say "over generalizing" - not "overanalyzing[sic]"

You are correct that I was generalizing, but you are kidding yourself If you think that there aren't a lot of first cycles done by young guys who, If they don't party the whole cycle, party their ass off when it's over. I would like to venture to say the majority of first cycles go like this... But I won't because this would inevitably lead to a million responses by people who claim to have done everything perfect their first time around.

At any rate, MOST people have no business doing 600mgs their first time due to lack of discipline...

 

[Lumberg]

Than I think you meant to say "over generalizing" - not "overanalyzing[sic]"

You are correct that I was generalizing, but you are kidding yourself If you think that there aren't a lot of first cycles done by young guys who, If they don't party the whole cycle, party their ass off when it's over. I would like to venture to say the majority of first cycles go like this... But I won't because this would inevitably lead to a million responses by people who claim to have done everything perfect their first time around.

At any rate, MOST people have no business doing 600mgs their first time due to lack of discipline...

OK MR. SMARTYPANTS

 

[little chris]

550 posts in a MONTH???? Wow, you must have a lot to say.

600mg/wk yeilds nearly twice the gains of 300mg/wk in the same time. If you're going to go through all the hassel of cycling i.e. buying the AS, shooting the AS, risking sides, then it makes more sense to get more out of it. The sides are exactly the same.

The sides are exactly the same? Come on bro. You mean to tell me that a guy taking 25mg of dbol ed is gonna have the same Blood pressure sides as the guy takin 50mg ed. The guy taking 500mgs of EQ is gonna have the same anxiety as the guy on 1,000mgs. The guy on 400mgs of Deca is gonna get shut down as hard as the guy on 800mgs.

Yes if you do more you'll get stronger and bigger but are all these extra sides worth an extra 1" in muscle size.

I'm 4 weeks into my first cycle of..
Dbol...20mgs...ed...1-4
Primo...300mgs...p/w...1-10
Deca...300mgs...p/w...1-10

So far my BF has gone from 11% to 9.5% while my weight has gone from 153lbs to 160lbs. I've eaten clean and trained very hard and have made good gains on mild cycle. You shouldn't take more gear to compensate for laziness.

 

[Lumberg]

OK MR. SMARTYPANTS

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[JibbyJabba]

P.S. BANNED!

 

[jubei]

Chris, the primo probably won't have much in the way of side effects, however deca shuts alot of people down hard. If anything taking 400-500mg/week of test enth or prop along with a low to moderate dose of l-dex (.5mg eod) will probably have less sides than your cycle.

I can't see going over 500mg/week unless its eq which I would go as high as 600mg/week for a first cycle.

 

[Zoomster]

I did a test enthanate 500 mg plus deca at 400mg for my first cycle. As has been stated in this post and others though, I was already at 215 lbs...then I rocketed up to 235 over 10 weeks.

Again stats are important.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

550 posts in a MONTH???? Wow, you must have a lot to say.

50 (500 bonus platinum posts)

 

[macrophage69alpha]

The sides are exactly the same? Come on bro. You mean to tell me that a guy taking 25mg of dbol ed is gonna have the same Blood pressure sides as the guy takin 50mg ed. The guy taking 500mgs of EQ is gonna have the same anxiety as the guy on 1,000mgs. The guy on 400mgs of Deca is gonna get shut down as hard as the guy on 800mgs.

Yes if you do more you'll get stronger and bigger but are all these extra sides worth an extra 1" in muscle size.

I'm 4 weeks into my first cycle of..
Dbol...20mgs...ed...1-4
Primo...300mgs...p/w...1-10
Deca...300mgs...p/w...1-10

So far my BF has gone from 11% to 9.5% while my weight has gone from 153lbs to 160lbs. I've eaten clean and trained very hard and have made good gains on mild cycle. You shouldn't take more gear to compensate for laziness.

the comparison given by ulter was with respect to TESTOSTERONE..

and if you calc your mgs thats 740mg a week

note EQ sides dont seem to be very dose dependent.. nandrolone and dbol sides on the other hand are..

 

[Cakalac]

Thanks, Macrophage nice heads up there

 

[Lumberg]

ulter OWNED by mp69a 123/534543/432423/4324312

 

[BigAndy69]

Ulter is right somewhat...

Needsize trained for 10 years before touching AS. I doubt 300mg of Test would have done much.

A newbie with under 2 years of training will explode on 400mg of Test only. Truth is, he has no business doing roids in the first place.

But I do beleive that 400-500mg of REAL test is sufficient for a first cycle.

 

[little chris]

the comparison given by ulter was with respect to TESTOSTERONE..

and if you calc your mgs thats 740mg a week

note EQ sides dont seem to be very dose dependent.. nandrolone and dbol sides on the other hand are..

True but high amounts of test 750-1,000mgs p/w week increase gyno chances significantly as opposed to 250-500mgs p/w and remember the more you do the harder its gonna be to recover.