conspiracy theories and the WTC attacks....

[spongebob]

there are some who believe the US govt had prior knowledge of the attacks and simply let them happen, so as to spark enough public hatred against the taliban, in order to invade. what do you think?

 

[Burnboy]

nope.but.i.think.they.knew.they.were.capable.of.such.and.should.have.done.more.to.prevent.it

 

[gotmilk]

Clinton knew that it was going to happen in 2001 because the Libyans tried to sell us the information...but slick Willy was too busy denying that he received a blow job from a fat chick.

The Bush administration had an idea that we were being targeted by they figured it was not worth looking into.

When gotmilk becomes President....he's going to plunder most of the third world counties and be feared more than Attila the Hun was.

 

[danielson]

think we could have whipped up anti-taliban support in the country regardless

hell all we'd need to do is pay a woman to testify in front of peole that she saw taliban take babies from incubators..........

but theyve done enough evil thngs to get oublic support.

 

[Godly1]

the government let the attacks happen so they could take out the taliban, increase military spending, speed up missle defense programs, and send the whole damn military after bin laden instead of a few CIA agents(the CIA has been trying to assassinate bin laden for years.

also, the anthrax virus was sent out by the government. if you think about it then it's the only logical explanation.
1. the virus came from the strand that was found in Iowa several years ago. this stand is maintained and reproduced by,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, the US government. so they have access to it.
2. if it someone wanted to hurt the US they would have used something that we're not ready for. if you invest that much time and money into a biological agent then you will do the research to find out which agent will do the most damage.
3. the first victims? the media. strike the media and the american people are sure to hear about it CONSTANTLY and therefore scare them into support for the war.
4. next victim? tom daschle, most people don't remember this but just after the attacks there was only one person who had an arguement AGAINST military actions. and that was tom daschle. as for leahy? i'm not sure why he was targeted, they must have had some other reason.

the post men and the two old ladies were not planned. just got it from the mail.

of course this is just my own personal opinion and it's probably not true,,,,,,,,,,,, but then again,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, what if??????????

 

[DcupSheepNipples]

yes, the US govt. did know.

We, knew and most of the world knew that a attack was about to happen! But the U.S. Goverment didnt now what the specific attack was going to be untill Sept 11.

 

[Frackal]

the government let the attacks happen so they could take out the taliban, increase military spending, speed up missle defense programs, and send the whole damn military after bin laden instead of a few CIA agents(the CIA has been trying to assassinate bin laden for years.

also, the anthrax virus was sent out by the government. if you think about it then it's the only logical explanation.
1. the virus came from the strand that was found in Iowa several years ago. this stand is maintained and reproduced by,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, the US government. so they have access to it.
2. if it someone wanted to hurt the US they would have used something that we're not ready for. if you invest that much time and money into a biological agent then you will do the research to find out which agent will do the most damage.
3. the first victims? the media. strike the media and the american people are sure to hear about it CONSTANTLY and therefore scare them into support for the war.
4. next victim? tom daschle, most people don't remember this but just after the attacks there was only one person who had an arguement AGAINST military actions. and that was tom daschle. as for leahy? i'm not sure why he was targeted, they must have had some other reason.

the post men and the two old ladies were not planned. just got it from the mail.

of course this is just my own personal opinion and it's probably not true,,,,,,,,,,,, but then again,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, what if??????????

I like your style.

 

[spongebob]

well i was looking for some facts but what the hell.

the government let the attacks happen so they could take out the taliban, increase military spending, speed up missle defense programs, and send the whole damn military after bin laden instead of a few CIA agents(the CIA has been trying to assassinate bin laden for years.

why not take out the taliban without letting them attack and kill 5000 people, which happen to be some of thier own. at the pentagon. wasnt the US already planning an invasion back around jun.?

you dont think bush could have started spending more on the military without the attacks, that was something the american people cared about during the presidential campaign. i dont think he needed a reason to do that.

ok, now if the CIA has been after bin laden for years and they wanted him dead, wouldnt that defeat the purpose of allowing him to commit the attacks in order to invade and throw the taliban out, so "they" could build the pipeline. in other words, if the CIA would have killed him then we would still have the taliban in afganistan with no reason to go after them.

maybe the CIA has been after him because he committed other terrorist attacks, ....uhmmm.



also, the anthrax virus was sent out by the government. if you think about it then it's the only logical explanation.
1. the virus came from the strand that was found in Iowa several years ago. this stand is maintained and reproduced by,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, the US government. so they have access to it.

any nut could have obtained anthrax from that source. i believed the anthrax attacks were domestic anyway, just not govt. sponsered.

2. if it someone wanted to hurt the US they would have used something that we're not ready for. if you invest that much time and money into a biological agent then you will do the research to find out which agent will do the most damage.

not a very good arguement to me. first, as you can see anthrax seems to be very easily transproted, and the strains were very crude if i remember right. second, we weren't ready for anthrax, nobody thought of it.

3. the first victims? the media. strike the media and the american people are sure to hear about it CONSTANTLY and therefore scare them into support for the war.

i think after WTC, americans were already in support for the war, no anthrax needed here.

4. next victim? tom daschle, most people don't remember this but just after the attacks there was only one person who had an arguement AGAINST military actions. and that was tom daschle. as for leahy? i'm not sure why he was targeted, they must have had some other reason.

i actually like the concept behind this one. scare the hell out of daschle in order to convince him the need for war.

the post men and the two old ladies were not planned. just got it from the mail.

of course this is just my own personal opinion and it's probably not true,,,,,,,,,,,, but then again,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, what if??????????

why would we want to invade afganistan so bad? maybe because they were harboring bin laden. what would make the govt. allow 5000 people to die for? and who was involved, at what level?

 

[gymnpoppa]

There are some conspiracies with some merit, and some are not.....

I am looking at the facts.....we pay our agencies (intelligence) over 40 bil per year, we received warnings, we have had numerous commissions on terrorism done recently. We have received warnings from other countries. Our arrogance and attitude has contributed to some of the problems.

Our law enforcement (local) has hardly ever received information and or intelligence about terrorists from our own agencies. Hence the hindsight attempt to force? the agencies to share information with each other, and law enforcement all over the country. That was stupid not to. It is quite possible that we could have prevented the attacks, if there was any type of cooperation between intelligence, and law enforcement. Now, because the agencies are inept at finding where potential terrorists are, lax immigration laws (government responsibility), they have to rely on law enforcement more than ever to help them.

Still no agencies have been willing to assume any blame, nor has the government been willing to assign blame.

As for taking out the taliban ourselves, we couldn't. We cant even find terrorists over here. Also, there are terrorists on our Most wanted list for over twenty years. Do you think we could really takeout the taliban? Do you remember what happened the last time we attempted to covertly perform a mission?
18 Rangers died in an ambush. Somalia.

Before that another blunder, Reagan and the hostages of Iran......and another government coverup, and lies.

we have had some success, but not much.

As for Bush spending more on the military, his tax cut plan wiped out the surplus, so NOPE, I don't believe he could have gotten the support to spend/blow money on the tax cut, and have funds left over for military spending. Even before Sept 11th, the budget was wiped out by the stupid tax cut. So he then attempted to put the handcuffs on Congress on spending.

I don't think the anthrax scared Daschle, or Leahy.....we were already planning the war when they got the anthrax letters.


The observations for me are the US involvement in Afghanistan AFTER they get bin Laden. If we strike a deal to build a pipeline in that country, any time in the next 3 years, it will be exposed, and challenged by a lot of Americans, and other countries. We should have no more than a embassy there.

 

[spongebob]

good post gym.

and the last paragraph especially. thats what im looking for , some kind of involvement there.

from what ive read the pipeline is not a dead issue but the american company involved in it(UNOCAL) left the group that was gonna biuld it. they laeft the project three years ago.

this was my attempt with this thread, to see how the puzzle fit, if it was a puzzle.

 

[thebabydoc]

I sort of liked Godly1's take on the anthrax BACTERIA; it certainly seems plausible.

 

[gymnpoppa]

good post gym.

and the last paragraph especially. thats what im looking for , some kind of involvement there.

from what ive read the pipeline is not a dead issue but the american company involved in it(UNOCAL) left the group that was gonna biuld it. they laeft the project three years ago.

this was my attempt with this thread, to see how the puzzle fit, if it was a puzzle.

See, I knew it was true, I'm not alone. lol

Seriously I knew where you were going......staying tuned...

 

[spongebob]

I sort of liked Godly1's take on the anthrax BACTERIA; it certainly seems plausible.

my gut feeling from the get-go on that was that it was being done by someone domestically.

whether it is govt. backed, i dunno.

 

[Godly1]

ok, so maybe the government isn't sending out letters laced with anthrax. but i do believe that whoever it is, is definetly connected to the government in some way and they were doing it only to scare up support for the war. 60% percent public support is not as good as 80% public support. and by the way, the US is ready for a SMALL anthrax attack. cipro has been produced for years. the government has been stockpiling it for quite a while. besides, Iraq has a super anthrax virus or anthrax B which our antibiotics and vaccinations are useless against. why not use that?

the government has already admitted to training CIA agents for years, with the sole purpose of assassinating bin laden. they just couldn't do it.

and the government, i don't believe, will stop once they are finished with they're mission in afghanistan. The israeles SP? and the palestinians are causing a lot of problems over there that the US is sure to stick their nose into. that will give them the time to come up with another reason to go back into Iraq. then on to Pakistan. why pakistan? because they are an unstable country with nuclear power which spells trouble for the free world. not to mention that if bin laden is really in tora bora then all he has to do is retreat straight back into Pakistan. then it's a whole new war.

and maybe the government didn't actually know what the terrorist strikes would consist of. but then again, maybe they thought just like bin laden on this new video tape. maybe they thought the damage wouldn't be so severe. and the guy that just got charged of conspiracy was in custody and was being questioned BEFORE the attacks ever took place. they definetly knew something was coming.

 

[Godly1]

damn, i sound like one of those anti government loonies. i need a life.

 

[gymnpoppa]

ok, so maybe the government isn't sending out letters laced with anthrax. but i do believe that whoever it is, is definetly connected to the government in some way and they were doing it only to scare up support for the war. 60% percent public support is not as good as 80% public support. and by the way, the US is ready for a SMALL anthrax attack. cipro has been produced for years. the government has been stockpiling it for quite a while. besides, Iraq has a super anthrax virus or anthrax B which our antibiotics and vaccinations are useless against. why not use that?

the government has already admitted to training CIA agents for years, with the sole purpose of assassinating bin laden. they just couldn't do it.

and the government, i don't believe, will stop once they are finished with they're mission in afghanistan. The israeles SP? and the palestinians are causing a lot of problems over there that the US is sure to stick their nose into. that will give them the time to come up with another reason to go back into Iraq. then on to Pakistan. why pakistan? because they are an unstable country with nuclear power which spells trouble for the free world. not to mention that if bin laden is really in tora bora then all he has to do is retreat straight back into Pakistan. then it's a whole new war.

and maybe the government didn't actually know what the terrorist strikes would consist of. but then again, maybe they thought just like bin laden on this new video tape. maybe they thought the damage wouldn't be so severe. and the guy that just got charged of conspiracy was in custody and was being questioned BEFORE the attacks ever took place. they definetly knew something was coming.

Interesting analogy......and uh, yeah, you're at least a skeptic...

 

[WODIN]

I think bush knew in order to cover his collective asshole up over the whole Enron deal that would flush his Presidency down the toilet so fast it would make Regan look like he didn't have Alshiemers.

 

[Lao Tzu]

the attack did $105 billion in damage.

i don't think we allowed it to happen intentionally. why allow $105 billion in damage? maybe to restart the economy (wwII ended the depression). but i doubt it.

 

[spongebob]

60% percent public support is not as good as 80% public support. and by the way, the US is ready for a SMALL anthrax attack. cipro has been produced for years. the government has been stockpiling it for quite a while. besides, Iraq has a super anthrax virus or anthrax B which our antibiotics and vaccinations are useless against. why not use that?

i believe the govt would have had enough support for war without the anthrax. IMO.

the fact that iraq has more super anthrax, does nonthing for an arguement. ask a few simple questions. does bin laden have access to it? and is it as easy to transprot? and one last thing, by trying to prove your arguement that its the govt. you are assuming that the anthrax was sent by external terrorist. who's to say it wasnt someone here in the states, whether they are connected to bin laden or not.

the government has already admitted to training CIA agents for years, with the sole purpose of assassinating bin laden. they just couldn't do it.

ok, if they had killed bin laden, lets say back in 99', wouldnt that have defeated the purpose of letting him attack us in order to drum up support for the war. the whole theory is that we want to go to war with afganistan in order to topple them, so we can allow a US company to build a pipeline.

and the government, i don't believe, will stop once they are finished with they're mission in afghanistan. The israeles SP? and the palestinians are causing a lot of problems over there that the US is sure to stick their nose into. that will give them the time to come up with another reason to go back into Iraq.

isnt that what the war on terrorism is about?

not to mention that if bin laden is really in tora bora then all he has to do is retreat straight back into Pakistan. then it's a whole new war.

pakistan has already said they will arrest bin laden.

they definetly knew something was coming.

yea, they may have gooten wind of a possible plot, but how many tips do they get constantly, they became compacent. thats all.

i work around a oil/chemical complex and these/my plants get threats all the time, we do hardly nonthing about. it happens all the time. even before 9-11. just this past weekend we supposedly went on high alert, well we didnt do anything any different, but yet we were on high alert,....ok, whatever.

im looking for some concrete evidence, not speculation based on "what if's" and "why not's". you cant prove a position with an intrigueing qoustion, it just blurs the facts.

 

[gymnpoppa]

im looking for some concrete evidence, not speculation based on "what if's" and "why not's". you cant prove a position with an intrigueing qoustion, it just blurs the facts.

ditto.......

 

[spongebob]

ditto.......

yea gym, i want some of these conspiracy nuts, these oliver stone types to tell me why the US govt let the attacks happen. he-he

 

[gymnpoppa]

yea gym, i want some of these conspiracy nuts, these oliver stone types to tell me why the US govt let the attacks happen. he-he

I like a good conspiracy myself, but just back it up with something, sometime......you'll keep my interest up....of course I'll go to my sources and see if it's even remotely true.

 

[TJ24]

if our government can conspire to asassinate there own president (jfk), then I don't see why blowing up a couple buildings couldn't have been done by them either

 

[spongebob]

if our government can conspire to asassinate there own president (jfk), then I don't see why blowing up a couple buildings couldn't have been done by them either

aw yes, that proves it, your belief that our govt. plotted to kill JFK, is in fact indisputable fact that our govt blew up WTC.

we were kind of looking for some kind of theory here based on at least some facts. next oliver stone follower please.

p.s. im just clowning, dont take it personal

 

[Godly1]

the only facts that you will find in this case are that their were two planes that crashed into the towers and one that crashed into the pentagon. their are no facts that link anyone else to the attacks. all of the evidence that is gathered against bin laden so far is either inconclusive or can easily be argued as false evidence planted by,,,,,, the us government. am i right or what?

nobody has mentioned the fact that president bush and his father both had a "friendship" with bin laden's family. of course that had a lot to do with their fortune they had made in the oil business. but doesn't it make you wonder?

i'm not pointing fingers because i obviously don't have any hard core evidence. i'm just looking at what i've heard so far and wondering.....

 

[spongebob]

nobody has mentioned the fact that president bush and his father both had a "friendship" with bin laden's family. of course that had a lot to do with their fortune they had made in the oil business. but doesn't it make you wonder?

show me the connection and the fact that the bush's made money in the oil industry connected to bin laden.

 

[TJ24]

I just mean that anything is possible. The public is told what the government decides we need to know, not all the facts

 

[Wombat]

well i was looking for some facts but what the hell.



why would we want to invade afganistan so bad? maybe because they were harboring bin laden. what would make the govt. allow 5000 people to die for? and who was involved, at what level?

5000 people is nothing to superpower that gets to show it all its might and help israel settle there feud. Our government kills or I should say allows millions of people to die for nothing other then money every year(alcohol-tobacco-drugs etc)

the kicker is americans and every other free country are very naive to think that a government gives a rats ass over a few thousand people. Americans get bored very easily--thats why things like anthrax and other possible scares will come about. Bin Laden killed over 5000 people and americans tell jokes about it. Saturday night live does skits about it---There are comic strips about him. He may be named person of the year in People or one of those mags. With all do respect to the people that lost there lives and the families, our government does not care. Of course there was an agenda behind what happend.

World War II showed the world what propaganda can accomplish--

 

[spongebob]

5000 people is nothing to superpower that gets to show it all its might and help israel settle there feud. Our government kills or I should say allows millions of people to die for nothing other then money every year(alcohol-tobacco-drugs etc)

the kicker is americans and every other free country are very naive to think that a government gives a rats ass over a few thousand people. Americans get bored very easily--thats why things like anthrax and other possible scares will come about. Bin Laden killed over 5000 people and americans tell jokes about it. Saturday night live does skits about it---There are comic strips about him. He may be named person of the year in People or one of those mags. With all do respect to the people that lost there lives and the families, our government does not care. Of course there was an agenda behind what happend.

very good rant, i guess. im looking for someone to put together a conspiracy based on a few facts. instead of saying,

"look, i know the govt did this, because they are oil greedy and they had JFK killed"

ok, thats fine if you wanna believe that, im not saying its not possible. I AM NOT NAIVE. all things are possible.

you say, "ofcourse there was an agenda behind what happened." well what do you base that on? the fact that bush is an oil man.

its very simple, "why would the govt let this happen?" give me a specific reason with details.

i started this thread to debate this, because honestly i felt it is very disrespectful to the people who lost thier lives in these attacks, for someone to blatantly just say, "the govt did this because we wanted to build a pipeline"

if you cant argue your point reasonably, then maybe you should not point fingers, out of respect for those who died.

 

[Wombat]

very good rant, i guess. im looking for someone to put together a conspiracy based on a few facts. instead of saying,

"look, i know the govt did this, because they are oil greedy and they had JFK killed"

ok, thats fine if you wanna believe that, im not saying its not possible. I AM NOT NAIVE. all things are possible.

you say, "ofcourse there was an agenda behind what happened." well what do you base that on? the fact that bush is an oil man.

its very simple, "why would the govt let this happen?" give me a specific reason with details.

i started this thread to debate this, because honestly i felt it is very disrespectful to the people who lost thier lives in these attacks, for someone to blatantly just say, "the govt did this because we wanted to build a pipeline"

if you cant argue your point reasonably, then maybe you should not point fingers, out of respect for those who died.

Please tell your kidding me---You start a thread stated conspiracy theories but when someone states there opinion on something (without facts) you say its disrespectful to the people that died. Like if there are facts behind the theory it wouldn't be disrespectful-- You started this thread the same reason ryan H starts all his threads. To show you can put a spin on everything everyone else says. Delete the tread and pick a new topic out of respect for the dead. Your not going to get facts from everyone. Someone already gave you some facts on his opinion and you tore them apart. Next time just start a thread stating you want to debate people. You will get a better response. Something more to your liking.

 

[spongebob]

Please tell your kidding me---You start a thread stated conspiracy theories but when someone states there opinion on something (without facts) you say its disrespectful to the people that died. Like if there are facts behind the theory it wouldn't be disrespectful-- You started this thread the same reason ryan H starts all his threads. To show you can put a spin on everything everyone else says. Delete the tread and pick a new topic out of respect for the dead. Your not going to get facts from everyone. Someone already gave you some facts on his opinion and you tore them apart. Next time just start a thread stating you want to debate people. You will get a better response. Something more to your liking.

think what you want, i started this thread to entice some conspiracy theorist to debate the topic. i did not state any conspiracy theories under the pretense that i believed them. re-read the original post please.

conspiracies can be based on fact, i have not seen any here yet. do you understand what im saying, when i say that.

here is a typical comment, "i know the govt did this because bush is an oil man." and "the govt is very capable of doing this because we had JFK killed." and "the govt did this because they wanted to build a pipeline thru afganistan."

now, you dont think thats hilarious? to make these statements without at least a source or some facts about the pipeline.

i will re-read the entire thread, and see if someone even came close to stating any facts.

and again, if you can at least put together some sort of theory(i never said i was looking for opinion) and show me why we allowed it to happen and for what purpose, it would be more fun to debate, otherwise i have nonthing more to say.

 

[Wombat]

Your right they can be based on fact but most are based on fiction---You are right though I didn't even read what most people wrote and just jumped in without backing anything up. For that I apologise. And will not joing in this thread unless I have something to back it up..peace

 

[spongebob]

Your right they can be based on fact but most are based on fiction---You are right though I didn't even read what most people wrote and just jumped in without backing anything up. For that I apologise. And will not joing in this thread unless I have something to back it up..peace

no problem, i pm'ed you

 

[Godly1]

sponge bob there is only one problem with what you're asking. if anyone had facts then it wouldn't be a conspiracy theory, it would be a criminal charge. they don't even have enough proof to charge bin laden.

and there is a book out(although i'm unsure of the title and author) that was released before the elections that told about pres bush's relationship witht the bin laden family. it was meant to discredit bush.

all this is purely speculation. that's why it's just a THEORY. just doing this for shits and giggles, not to uncover some government plot.