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glassman21

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I need some serious advice. Ill make it as short as possible. Some of you guys have already been helping me. I am 35. Haven't seriousley worked out in about 10 years. The last three years I have kept a gym membership but only train sporatically because I never see any results. I am 6'1" and only weigh 170 lbs. I have tried everything!....every different diet and work out out there failed to produce any results for me. Three years ago I bought a cycle of cyp and with no knowledge started the cycle thinking that if I ate more than usual and showed up at the gym more often I'd get results.
I gained 25 lbs! But soon after lost it because lack of PCT and ended up with 17% body fat and slight gyno. I never monitored my caloric intake or my work outs or anything. I just added a few shakes to my daily meals and probably didn't even eat 2000 calories a day. Hell I was gaining weight so I was happy. I never knew about anti-estrogens. I just thought it was a crap shoot and a risk everyone took. I have never had any fat anywhere. Now I can pinch 1-1/2" on my abdomen and have love handles. My lbm is 140! I didn't want to go on a fat loss diet and be skinny again. I'd rather carry the weight I have than be skinny as hell. I'm just an average looking guy who wants to be buff.I have studied my ass off for two years and have a tracking program for my diet and work outs. Now that you know where I am coming from here is the question. I just started a cycle of sust and deca this week. I am eating 3000 calories a day and working out 3 days a week....compound exercises. My question is this? Should I have done a cutting cycle instead? My bf is already 17%. I am doing 375/wk test and 300/wk deca. I am afraid I am going to gain more fat again although this time I have Arimidex and HCG/Clomid for my PCT. I WANT TO BE BIG!! But I don't want to be fat!!! Will I gain more fat on this cycle? or will I burn fat and gain muscle. 17 fuckin percent looks like shit!! I am eating very clean and eating 275g of protein a day. Should I continue on my cycle I just started this week? should I do a little cardio with it? Dam. I don't know WTF to do. I want to do the cycle and build up my arms, legs, chest, and shoulders...but at what expense? i am very dedicated this time. Is it possible for me to be able to gain lean muscle and loose fat at the same time? if so I am cool...if not I'm fucked!. I am eating 6-8 meals a day which I never have so i figured this would also speed up my metabolism and help burn fat plus i have cut out all junk food and sodas. Remember I never have watche dmy diet before.......anyway....I'll shut the hell up and hopefully some of you can help me out.
 
OMG, stop taking steroids. you need to lift for a few years before you take. diet is everything, it doesnt matter what gear you take.
 
I have been lifting for a few years. I was an athlete in college....I've just never got any results. i am a very hard gainer.
 
So your advice to me is to diet for a year naturally and do cardio and eat clean and get my body fat down to about 10% before I do a cycle?
 
I gained the body fat from the cyp cycle three years ago. Before the cycle I only weighed about 160 and had about 8% bf. I graduated high school weighing 135 lbs and 6'1"....fifteen years ago...
 
as you stated.. you have never kept track of your diet before... this is where you should start... 5000 cals per day is for hardgainers...
also get some bloodwork done and see if your natural test levels are fucked from the previous cycle... :coffee:
 
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honestly Bro. I know I need to get my bf down at least 7-8% before I do a bulking cycle. Thats the smart thing to do. There is no doubt about it. I was hoping to shed some body fat and have good gains from this cycle and attack both ends of the spectrum but it probably won't work and I'd end up being about 21% bf or higher and then it would be a real bitch to loose. i might as well loose it first, hold off on the cycle and then do it in 6 months. I just got anxious and jumped the gun. I have already taken 375mg of sust and 300 mg of Deca.......should I take a few Arimidex for a week or two just to be safe or is that even enough to fuck with anything?
 
theprofessor said:
...oh, and thats 5000 clean calories...
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Yeah. I'm actually not a dumb ass. I know what is clean and what is not. I just never made the decision until now to follow it. I have no doubt I can do it...my only real question was should I drop my bf before I start a cycle? If i did the cycle as planned I'm sure I'd gain 15-20 lbs of lean muscle.....but i'd also gain 5-6% bf and then it would be a real bitch to loose.i was hoping some one had an answer as to how to achieve both at one time...obviousley not.
 
Hey Bro, you should get your BF down, if you can get down to 12, you'll still be OK. Ive always been a hard gainer too. I ended High school at 125 lbs. Worked out in my twenties some and got up to 165. Starting working out about 3 1/2 years ago, was 185 and over 15% bf. Got down to about 12% and about 165 lbs again, since then I have done three cycles and am now up to 210lbs and still around 12%. Shit yeah its hard to train hard and eat, eat , eat, but it does work, good luck Bro!
 
yea bro, cardio in the morning on an empty stomach, a good workout routine and 5000cals with 300g of protein a day. i was 6 2 125 at 20, pretty hard to top that. though i never have gone over 8% bf its not possible. so i am a true ecto hard gainer. get down to 10% train and eat like its your job. then hop on some gear
 
theprofessor said:
as you stated.. you have never kept track of your diet before... this is where you should start... 5000 cals per day is for hardgainers...
also get some bloodwork done and see if your natural test levels are fucked from the previous cycle... :coffee:
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I would not reccomend 5000 calories to someone with 17% bf that they gained from a cycle they took without anti-estrogens or PCT due to ignorance. I'd suggest a 2200 calorie diet and cardio with light weights and until they lost the weight and then do a 5000 calorie clean diet to gain lean muscle...you can not do both. Period. You are either going to do a bulking program or a fat loss program.....but both at once will not work.
 
bruce410 said:
yea bro, cardio in the morning on an empty stomach, a good workout routine and 5000cals with 300g of protein a day. i was 6 2 125 at 20, pretty hard to top that. though i never have gone over 8% bf its not possible. so i am a true ecto hard gainer. get down to 10% train and eat like its your job. then hop on some gear
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try doing a 10 week cycle of cyp and dont take any anti-estrogens and then when you are done don't do a PCt and dont do any cardio. I guarantee you'll go over that 8% mark. i appreciate the input from you guys. looks like I'll have to trimback down to about 160 and get clean and then start over....i was hoping I wouldn't have to do that but I don't see any other option.
 
missionpossible said:
Hey Bro, you should get your BF down, if you can get down to 12, you'll still be OK. Ive always been a hard gainer too. I ended High school at 125 lbs. Worked out in my twenties some and got up to 165. Starting working out about 3 1/2 years ago, was 185 and over 15% bf. Got down to about 12% and about 165 lbs again, since then I have done three cycles and am now up to 210lbs and still around 12%. Shit yeah its hard to train hard and eat, eat , eat, but it does work, good luck Bro!
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I appreciate it! i know what I need to do....i just didn't want to do it. Cardio sucks!!!! My diet will help too now that I am actually better educated and tracking my calories for the first time in my life.............
 
well i'm totally not trying to flame you bra. but i ran deca and winny with no pct and stayed at that bf. i would just drop to like 150 if i did that
 
Glassman21 said:
I would not reccomend 5000 calories to someone with 17% bf that they gained from a cycle they took without anti-estrogens or PCT due to ignorance. I'd suggest a 2200 calorie diet and cardio with light weights and until they lost the weight and then do a 5000 calorie clean diet to gain lean muscle...you can not do both. Period. You are either going to do a bulking program or a fat loss program.....but both at once will not work.
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well, maybe not quite 5000, but if you want to burn fat and build muscle at the same time 2200 wont cut it... you gotta fuel the fire :chomp:
and cardio with light weights is the wrong track... you need to focus on heavy compound movements (deads, bench, cleans, squats etc..) ..heavy lifting burns more calories and fat than light weights, and it makes you stronger :evil: :coffee:
you can burn fat and build muscle at the same time...
 
bruce410 said:
well i'm totally not trying to flame you bra. but i ran deca and winny with no pct and stayed at that bf. i would just drop to like 150 if i did that
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Okay you did't do a PCT.....did you take an anti-estrogen? I didn't. Dude, Deca winth Winny is alot different than Cyp alone. Cyp is dirtier. You can not compare the two. That does not justify what you are saying. How old are you? Are you over 30? Your body changes bro. I know this: before I did the cycle of cyp I had no fat. period. After I did the cycle of cyp with no knowledge of what I was doing and relied on the chemical to do the work like a dumb ass and didn't take any precaution towards gyno and didn't eat worth a shit and didn't work out right or track anything and partied my ass off on the weeke ends I ended up gaining about 9% bf. I know it was the cyp. bro. What you are saying to me is that all hard gainers have a "get out of jail free" card against gyno and don't have to take any anti-estrogens or do a PCT because they are hard gainers and therefore will never gain any fatty tissue anywhere because they are hard gainers and you know this because you ran a cycle of Deca with Winny and didn't do a PCT. Learn something today from a fellow hard gainer. If you do what I did it will fuck you up.
 
theprofessor said:
well, maybe not quite 5000, but if you want to burn fat and build muscle at the same time 2200 wont cut it... you gotta fuel the fire :chomp:
and cardio with light weights is the wrong track... you need to focus on heavy compound movements (deads, bench, cleans, squats etc..) ..heavy lifting burns more calories and fat than light weights, and it makes you stronger :evil: :coffee:
you can burn fat and build muscle at the same time...
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I hear what you are saying. You may burn a little fat on a bulking program but your main goal is to gain not loose. Everyone knows that you are also going to gain a little fat and therefore will need to do a fat loss program afterward. I think I should drop my bf (17% currently) down at least 5% before I try and do a bulking cycle of Sust and Deca. No offense but I think I'll hang around for a few more opinions.
 
well bro i respect your opinion and experience. yes when i am 30 i assume it will be a bit harder to stay like this. i ran the dirtiest sust in the world, mexican testosterona 4LA and ran no pct with no anti e's, i just got small after gaining no increase in bf. i ran dbols and test last year with no anti e's and was fine. its not about that, some are prone to gyno and estrogen rebound others are not. my test levels are very high natty so that might factor in. i did not use anti e's with the deca either but that wouldn't do much good. i don't touch test anymore cause of the crash i had that made me tiny not fat. ive relied on chemicals to do the work as well and it was very stupid. good luck to ya. we all make mistakes, very similar ones. you got fat i lost all my mass. same fuckin thing right. i'm doing my cycles the right way now and i hope you do to. at first you came off as a young kid and it worried me when you said you hadn't been lifting. at 30 you are old enough to decide, just be careful, try and cut down with diet as much as you can and then hop on. yes it will be a bit harder to cut down if age is making your metabolism change. good luck kill it bro.
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Okay you did't do a PCT.....did you take an anti-estrogen? I didn't. Dude, Deca winth Winny is alot different than Cyp alone. Cyp is dirtier. You can not compare the two. That does not justify what you are saying. How old are you? Are you over 30? Your body changes bro. I know this: before I did the cycle of cyp I had no fat. period. After I did the cycle of cyp with no knowledge of what I was doing and relied on the chemical to do the work like a dumb ass and didn't take any precaution towards gyno and didn't eat worth a shit and didn't work out right or track anything and partied my ass off on the weeke ends I ended up gaining about 9% bf. I know it was the cyp. bro. What you are saying to me is that all hard gainers have a "get out of jail free" card against gyno and don't have to take any anti-estrogens or do a PCT because they are hard gainers and therefore will never gain any fatty tissue anywhere because they are hard gainers and you know this because you ran a cycle of Deca with Winny and didn't do a PCT. Learn something today from a fellow hard gainer. If you do what I did it will fuck you up.
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bruce410 said:
well bro i respect your opinion and experience. yes when i am 30 i assume it will be a bit harder to stay like this. i ran the dirtiest sust in the world, mexican testosterona 4LA and ran no pct with no anti e's, i just got small after gaining no increase in bf. i ran dbols and test last year with no anti e's and was fine. its not about that, some are prone to gyno and estrogen rebound others are not. my test levels are very high natty so that might factor in. i did not use anti e's with the deca either but that wouldn't do much good. i don't touch test anymore cause of the crash i had that made me tiny not fat. ive relied on chemicals to do the work as well and it was very stupid. good luck to ya. we all make mistakes, very similar ones. you got fat i lost all my mass. same fuckin thing right. i'm doing my cycles the right way now and i hope you do to. at first you came off as a young kid and it worried me when you said you hadn't been lifting. at 30 you are old enough to decide, just be careful, try and cut down with diet as much as you can and then hop on. yes it will be a bit harder to cut down if age is making your metabolism change. good luck kill it bro.
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That's cool man. I have been lifting all my life . I just never had a plan. I try and be consistent but without chemicals I don't see much and it just pisses me off so I give it up........... and then Im back in there spinning my wheels again. I am focused now and educated about dieting and the proper way work out using compound exercises and heavy sets with lower reps. When I lift I do 2 warm up sets of 8 and then add weight and do sets of 8,6,4, and 2 adding weight each time and then I drop weight for the last set and do a burn out set before I immediately jump to another station to do a superset working the same muscle...for instance Bench Press (flat) barbell..I'll do 2 warm up sets and then add weight and do sets of 8,6,4,2,burn out , and then immediately do a flat set of dumbbell flye's. Then I'll do the same sets of reps for shoulder press and immediately do a superset of lateral raises. Then I'll do Bar Dips to failure followed by a superset of Tricep Pushdowns. I have a solid work out. I was hoping to hear from someone in a similiar situation who successfully gained lean muscle and also lost fat.
 
You should listen to the good advice you have already gotten. I would come down a bit before bulking. Right now focus on being dedicated to the gym, cardio and proper nutrition. If you are a true hard gainer, you will drop the lbs quickly. Just be patient and dedicated.

As for you starting this cycle, I would get blood work done to see if your natural levels are still low from not doing pct during that first cycle. If so, then I would run the test with an ai, but only at 250mgs a week. What did the hrt clinic tell you?

As for the slight gyno, get some letro and nolva and give it a try. It might help, might not. But it's worth trying. Good luck.
 
i agree run bloodwork to bud. just see, low test levels could be causing this abnormal bf% for ya. i know how it is seeing no results week after week benching the same damn thing. get 300g of protein in a day bro and you will grow i promise. you have to feed muscles for them to grow. technically you can workout like an animal but without a post workout mrp and then a meal you will barely gain from that grueling workout you just had.
 
C3bodybuilding said:
You should listen to the good advice you have already gotten. I would come down a bit before bulking. Right now focus on being dedicated to the gym, cardio and proper nutrition. If you are a true hard gainer, you will drop the lbs quickly. Just be patient and dedicated.

As for you starting this cycle, I would get blood work done to see if your natural levels are still low from not doing pct during that first cycle. If so, then I would run the test with an ai, but only at 250mgs a week. What did the hrt clinic tell you?

As for the slight gyno, get some letro and nolva and give it a try. It might help, might not. But it's worth trying. Good luck.
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They told me my levels were mid range. Is Deca an ai? I already started the cycle but have only done one injection (1cc sust 250mg/1cc Deca 300mg). If I stop and wait a few months to start do I need to do anything at this point? Also, how long can I keep this gear and it not go bad or loose its effect? I have had it several months. I wanted to get back in the gym and start my training & diet a few months before I started the cycle and have done that. I am in shape now. I just haven't done any cardio. Another factor is that I got an office job three years ago and sit behind a desk all day plus i am 35 and my metabolism has slowed down. Not working out and all these other factors have contributed to the bf% being where it is. my diet was shit! Drinking lots of beer...all that shit contributed to where i am today. I was just concerned about gaining more bf. The guys at my gym tell me to go ahead with the cycle and I'll loose the fat as I gain muscle. I was leaning toward doing that. I was a college athlete and qualified for nationals in track and field two years. I am not new to training...I just never got got any results naturally. I didn't eat properly which I know was a major factor but I ate alot more than usual and still never saw any resluts in size. my strength always went way up but my size didn't do much. There is no doubt I am ready and the decication is there. Everything is in place.
 
bro alot more than usual doesn't cut it. i used to say the same thing when asked. it really is your diet. the difference between 3000 cals to say 5000cals is just amazing. you will gain if you eat clean 5000cals with 300g of protein. deca is not an ai, it is a very anabolic steroid. you should know this, thats why i was so alerted before because it seems you need to do a bit more research. like saying cyp is dirty. what kind of cyp was it. human grade cyp is as clean as can be, so is many ug versions. really trying to help you bro, but you need to do cardio and train and most importantly eat like its your job. you have to count calories. you should be able to post your diet on here, it should be that familiar. doing aas right now is a waste. seriously they will do nothing for you until you are back in the gym for a good amount of time. once you stop getting sore at least.
 
bruce410 said:
i agree run bloodwork to bud. just see, low test levels could be causing this abnormal bf% for ya. i know how it is seeing no results week after week benching the same damn thing. get 300g of protein in a day bro and you will grow i promise. you have to feed muscles for them to grow. technically you can workout like an animal but without a post workout mrp and then a meal you will barely gain from that grueling workout you just had.
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how many times a week do you lift? I lift three times a week and was thinking about going 5 times a week. That way I can focus more on each muscle group. Monday chest and tris, Tuesday back and bis, Wed legs - quads, Thursday legs - hammys, Friday - shoulders. I could also work in 20 min of cardio a day. The working out is not a problem. All my work is the diet. Its hard as hell to prepare all this food and have it ready but I am managing well. i have a fridge in my office and I plan my meals a few days ahead.
 
yea bro you gotta hit the gym 5 days a week. do chest alone, back alone, bis and tris together, shoulders alone, and then legs and forearms and abs, thats what i do. i hit it 6 days a week and usually just try and get lagging parts on the extra day. cook your chicken ahead of time as well as rice. then its ready to go and you can just eat. i reccomend getting NAKED food drink proteins, they are great for work. 25 grams of protein only 2.5g of fat, and about 400 good cals. tastes just like chocolate milk. also keep some almonds around and snack on those. peanut butter should also be your best friend. keep a jar with ya and two tbl spoons with every meal or when you think you need to eat but are busy. great way to get protein and healthy fats. you can also make turkey sandwiches ahead of time. i know its tough bro, thats why we say diet is everything, if diet was easy we would all look exactly how we want.
 
I was told to gain mass you want to calculate your LBM and eat about 20 calories per lb of weight to gain. This is based on a natural program. No aas. I got this information from a hard gainer trainer www.skinneyguy.net Gaining Mass- Anthony Ellis. I bought tracker program so i can track my body compisition, diet, calories and workout. I can see weekly charts on my progress and can adjust it accordingly. Before I had the idea to do aas i was doing this naturally for about 6 weeks and was loosing fat and gaining muscle on a 2800 calorie diet. but not enough so....here I am man.
 
i think you need like 4000-5000 clean cals a day bro. tommorow right down everything you ate, and post it. we will go from there.
 
I have coked more chicken and rice the last wto months than i ever have in my life. This was my diet yesterday

Meal 1. MetRx with a banana, tbsp of flax, tbsp of olive oil, 1 scoop glutamine

Meal 2. Myoplex protein bar 34 g protein

Meal 3. 1 cup cottage cheese, 1 green apple, 12 oz can tuna, 12 triscuits

Meal 4. 3 large whole eggs, 1 can Hormel Turkey Chile 3.4 g of fat only

Meal 5. 7 0z chicken breast, 1 cup spinach

Meal 6. 1 pkg MetRx 1 tbsp flax, 1 tbsp olive oil


2889 calories, 280g protein, 181 carbs, 108 fat, 43.5 fiber
 
well bro you need alot more food in there. try eating eggs for breakfast with oatmeal. not just a shake. you should be eating six meals not including the protein shakes.
 
shout back. im headed to the gym. thanks for the good info. i'll hold off on the cycle a few months...what about the fact that I already did an injection of sust 250 and deca 300? Probably wont hurt anything...also, how long can i hold onto this gear before it expires? the date says 10/06 i just bought it a few months ago. i think the hrt put that date on there so you will hurry and use it and buy more. i have a script for it...fuckin expensive!!!! $225 a bottle!!! I dont want to wast it.
 
bruce410 said:
well bro you need alot more food in there. try eating eggs for breakfast with oatmeal. not just a shake. you should be eating six meals not including the protein shakes.
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Can you post your diet for me to check out.
 
here it is a true ecto diet.
here bro. not the cleanest in the world but i hate canned tuna and i hate eggs. also i am a freak in that i stay single digit bf no matter what. so this is the easiest way for me to put down 5000cals and 300g of protein.

breakfast 3 eggs 70 cals each 18g protein
oatmeal 2 packets 260 cals 6g protein
two sausage patties 150 cals 8g protein
meal 2: naked chocolate karma 360 cals 25g protein
yogurt 150 cals 6g protein
two tbsp of peanut butter, 200 cals 16g of healthy fat 8g of protein
meal 3: turkey sandwich 300 cals est. 20g protein
metrx berry blast 50g protein with the milk and 400 cals
two more tbsp of pb

meal 4 pre workout: naked chocolate karma 360 and 25g 3 g of arginine 2 gram taurine
meal 5 metrx berry blast with a scoop of muscle milk, a 816 cals and 60g protein
meal 6: lb of chicken or beef
one box of de cecco pasta 1600 cals 48g protein
(i eat this pasta throughout the night. my appetite gets bigger at night
meal 7: more pasta(accounted for) metrx berry blast 50g protein and 400 cals. two more tbsp of pb
without the beef or chicken added its 5400 cals about and with the chicken and beef i say 5600, need a lot of chronic to do this. its 324g of protein without the pasta protein not counted, 370 with it

many nights i substitute ahi or salmon for the chicken or beef. mondays i eat a big deep dish pizza along with the pasta no meat. if i eat sushi i'll just add the beef or chicken and an extra bowl of rice. naked chocolate karma is a drink you buy, they are 2 bucks or so at a health food store. its a ready to go and tastes like chocolate milk. a great way to throw in almost 400 cals and 25g of protein. keep in mind that i am counting cals. i might not be able to stomach all that pasta eat that much in the morning one day. so the diet is more than 5000 cals and 300g of protein but i just want to get to 5000 in case i have to catch up. hope that helps
 
bruce410 said:
here it is a true ecto diet.
here bro. not the cleanest in the world but i hate canned tuna and i hate eggs. also i am a freak in that i stay single digit bf no matter what. so this is the easiest way for me to put down 5000cals and 300g of protein.

breakfast 3 eggs 70 cals each 18g protein
oatmeal 2 packets 260 cals 6g protein
two sausage patties 150 cals 8g protein
meal 2: naked chocolate karma 360 cals 25g protein
yogurt 150 cals 6g protein
two tbsp of peanut butter, 200 cals 16g of healthy fat 8g of protein
meal 3: turkey sandwich 300 cals est. 20g protein
metrx berry blast 50g protein with the milk and 400 cals
two more tbsp of pb

meal 4 pre workout: naked chocolate karma 360 and 25g 3 g of arginine 2 gram taurine
meal 5 metrx berry blast with a scoop of muscle milk, a 816 cals and 60g protein
meal 6: lb of chicken or beef
one box of de cecco pasta 1600 cals 48g protein
(i eat this pasta throughout the night. my appetite gets bigger at night
meal 7: more pasta(accounted for) metrx berry blast 50g protein and 400 cals. two more tbsp of pb
without the beef or chicken added its 5400 cals about and with the chicken and beef i say 5600, need a lot of chronic to do this. its 324g of protein without the pasta protein not counted, 370 with it

many nights i substitute ahi or salmon for the chicken or beef. mondays i eat a big deep dish pizza along with the pasta no meat. if i eat sushi i'll just add the beef or chicken and an extra bowl of rice. naked chocolate karma is a drink you buy, they are 2 bucks or so at a health food store. its a ready to go and tastes like chocolate milk. a great way to throw in almost 400 cals and 25g of protein. keep in mind that i am counting cals. i might not be able to stomach all that pasta eat that much in the morning one day. so the diet is more than 5000 cals and 300g of protein but i just want to get to 5000 in case i have to catch up. hope that helps
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Thats alot of calories. I used to be able to eat anything and as much of it as I wanted and not gain an ounce of fat. Chronic huh? Had to give it up. Sure helps the appetite though. Thanks for the ideas. I'll be hanging around and posting threads as I progress.
 
bruce410 said:
OMG, stop taking steroids. you need to lift for a few years before you take. diet is everything, it doesnt matter what gear you take.
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are you sick man, yo uneed to go thru puberty before you even lift lil bruce
 
who the fuck are you man, i'm trying to help this guy. am i sick. go through puberty. lmfao whatever you say bro
 
6 3 185 single digit bf, with 16.5 inch arms is small to some, but not me. i have a 28 inch waist and a tiny frame. post pics of your self bro. or shut the fuck up. you ever hear of constructive criticism like maybe saying bruce you need more mass bro. you ask me if i'm sick, yea sick people incline 205 and walk around with 170 lbs of lean mass. fucking dumb newb. i have to empty my pm box daily cause of all the people i help and you have the nerve to say shit like that to me.
 
gautho said:
That's me in my avatar, what u think about me bricklayer7?
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impressive, you make lil bruce look like a little boy, but i guess he looks like that on his own,

bruce, you're arms arent 16.5'' i know for a fact!!
 
bricklayer7 said:
impressive, you make lil bruce look like a little boy, but i guess he looks like that on his own,

bruce, you're arms arent 16.5'' i know for a fact!!
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News to you bro, bruce helped me achieve that National level Physique. What u got 4 me bro?
 
really you measured. that is my arm rested at my side, if i flex i can't hold the camera straight. just because they are long it doesn't mean they are not wide. antonio tarver is a skinny as boxer but his arms are 16 unflexed. i dont' care go fuck yourself. i fuck a model every night, and peeps on here have seen pics of me and her at a show together. so its not talking out of my ass. go beat off. i'm sure your fat and were made fun of. i was getting blown while you were getting made fun of
 
bricklayer7 said:
hey bruce since you help so many people, can you take a look at my thread, "what combo is best" :)
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now you want help. how about an apology for words that are pretty unforgivable. i mean i fired back but i won't apologize for that its justified. post a pic of yourself and i'll gladly help you
 
I'm very confused. How do you know nothing works if you have only been working out for 3 weeks? Ya think it may take longer than that to see results. That is just like all the guys over here in teh desert that ahve nothing but time on their hands now so they pick up a copy of Flex magazine and what do ya know. Every month their workout plan change according to what is punlished because "they aren't seeing results" Get yourself on a good workout and diet plan and then lift and eat religiously for 3 or 4 years. Trust me I started way too early as well and I have now set myself goals to get to naturally before ever touching any AAS ever again. You will make great gains with the right training and diet trust me but it's not gonna happen overnight.
 
02gixxersix said:
I'm very confused. How do you know nothing works if you have only been working out for 3 weeks? Ya think it may take longer than that to see results. That is just like all the guys over here in teh desert that ahve nothing but time on their hands now so they pick up a copy of Flex magazine and what do ya know. Every month their workout plan change according to what is punlished because "they aren't seeing results" Get yourself on a good workout and diet plan and then lift and eat religiously for 3 or 4 years. Trust me I started way too early as well and I have now set myself goals to get to naturally before ever touching any AAS ever again. You will make great gains with the right training and diet trust me but it's not gonna happen overnight.
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great fuckin post k to ya
 
To the bro that originally posted this thread. My advice to you would be to run your cycle as is, but use it as a cutter. I have heard from my friend Jeff Everson many times that Nandrolone/Deca is very underestimated as a fat burning steroid. I don't want to hear that bullshit about steroids not burning fat! Tren burns fat, Winny has been shown in research to actually kill fat cells, and Jeff swears that Nandrolone burns fat.
All that aside, the suggestion to do your cardio A.M. on an empty stomach is excellent. Drink at least a quart of ice cold water when you wake up, and pop some fat burners and BCAA's along with the cold water and head out to do your cardio. You should damn near see immediate results that way. Arimidex should be run at .5mg every other day with that cycle. A-dex has a half life of 3 days so there's no need to run it every day. Your dosage of test is quite conservative as is your Deca dosage. Continue with your weight workout as planned, and if you're trying to shed bodyfat, I would stay in the 2-3000 calorie range and adjust as your results dictate. Use calipers and the mirror to gauge your progress, not the scale.
 
marshallmadman said:
To the bro that originally posted this thread. My advice to you would be to run your cycle as is, but use it as a cutter. I have heard from my friend Jeff Everson many times that Nandrolone/Deca is very underestimated as a fat burning steroid. I don't want to hear that bullshit about steroids not burning fat! Tren burns fat, Winny has been shown in research to actually kill fat cells, and Jeff swears that Nandrolone burns fat.
All that aside, the suggestion to do your cardio A.M. on an empty stomach is excellent. Drink at least a quart of ice cold water when you wake up, and pop some fat burners and BCAA's along with the cold water and head out to do your cardio. You should damn near see immediate results that way. Arimidex should be run at .5mg every other day with that cycle. A-dex has a half life of 3 days so there's no need to run it every day. Your dosage of test is quite conservative as is your Deca dosage. Continue with your weight workout as planned, and if you're trying to shed bodyfat, I would stay in the 2-3000 calorie range and adjust as your results dictate. Use calipers and the mirror to gauge your progress, not the scale.
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I appreciate all the info from all you guys. Bruce you obviousley know your shit and I respect your advice. My metabolism has definitely slowed as I have reached my thirtys. I don't know if 5000 calories is good for me at this point. I've already put too much into this to back out now. I am going to add a few mornings of cardio and change my workout from 3 days a week to 5 and stay around 3000 calories for now. I use calipers and do skin fold measurements as well as tape measurements each Sunday and track my results on a program i have on my laptop...it's a cool program...shows graphs and very detailed info so i can adjust if i need to up the calories.
 
It's nice to see someone apologize, because that was out of line. Bruce helps a lot of people daily. Look at this thread for a perfect example. Just a reminder to all, not everyone want's to be 300lbs 4%.
 
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