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[Muscle Overkill]

Can you safely use test prop up until the day of competition and not fear holding water. On paper test is test which=water retention. I am trying to lay out my pre contest stack and I have read several articles that talk about competitors making the mistake of cutting out test and coming in flat. That if you use prop you will come in fuller ? Also debating on which winni to use oral or injectable ? I was going to use a product that contains
75mg tren ace
75mg test prop
75mg masteron ( not sure which ester )
at a 1/4-1/2 cc a day (preferable a .25)
along with
20mg a day of halo
50mg EOD of winni

In the past I would take the lowest recommended dose of 3-5 different drugs
for total weekly intake of roughly 600-800mgs a week along with clen the last 4 wks. I never used gh in my precontest but I know have as well and am unsure how much to use and when if at all to cut it out. Thanks in advance for your help. If you could when your posting answers if you could post the rational behind your answer cuz I'm all about the science/reasoning behind what you have to say.

 

[niv]

to get an advantage before the competition you must eat 15 bananas dipped in maple syrup and shout coca-doodel-doo 3 times in a row, this will inhace your celliculate outer membrain of the inverted muscle cell and easly get you the trophy you desire

 

[gautho]

Myself, i switch over to test suspension the last 4-5 wks before i step on stage. I notice less water retention, increased vascularity. But, the intangible here that you havn't discussed about your water retention is diuretics. That will give you a larger window of comfort concerning the water retention. I'd drop the prop for the suspension at 4-5 weeks out, i promise you will not sacrifice any fullness and still gain an overall better state of conditioning. Also, i would adjust the winny dose to every day at least with 3 weeks left just to assure that hard chemical look. The masteron and halo look good, but myself , i would throw anavar in @ 3 weeks out. Without seeing how you look, the only thing else to discuss is the possibility of using t3. And about the winny, oral would be fine until 3-4 weeks out then definitely switch over to injectable.

 

[DMI]

Myself, i switch over to test suspension the last 4-5 wks before i step on stage. I notice less water retention, increased vascularity. But, the intangible here that you havn't discussed about your water retention is diuretics. That will give you a larger window of comfort concerning the water retention. I'd drop the prop for the suspension at 4-5 weeks out, i promise you will not sacrifice any fullness and still gain an overall better state of conditioning. Also, i would adjust the winny dose to every day at least with 3 weeks left just to assure that hard chemical look. The masteron and halo look good, but myself , i would throw anavar in @ 3 weeks out. Without seeing how you look, the only thing else to discuss is the possibility of using t3. And about the winny, oral would be fine until 3-4 weeks out then definitely switch over to injectable.

gautho, why is it beneficial to switch from oral to injectable winny at 3-4 weeks out?

 

[gautho]

gautho, why is it beneficial to switch from oral to injectable winny at 3-4 weeks out?

All the positive effects of winny are heightened. I notice deeper cuts/lines, more striations, and an overall stronger effect of the winny. That chemical look bro.

 

[slat1]

It depends on who you talk to.
I know a pro who takes it out four weeks before the show.
You also have well known "guru's" who say keep it in up to and through the show. Your diet and AI's will get rid of the water.

 

[52_21_30]

All the positive effects of winny are heightened. I notice deeper cuts/lines, more striations, and an overall stronger effect of the winny. That chemical look bro.

Agree 100%. There is a very noticeable difference between oral and IM winny. I love the look and feeling from IM winny, but with multi-use vials I'm wary about injecting it anymore due to the increased risk of infection. I'm very careful and have never (knock on wood) had an injection problem. But all the vets keep preaching to drink the winny as all the complications I've ssen are from aqueous injections as opposed to oil based.

That's besides the point though. 3-4 weeks of IM winny before the show is great advice.

Here's a good cycle for 8 weeks out

test prop 100 mg ed week 1-6
tren ace 100 mg ed week 1-8
winstrol 100 mg ed week 1-8
masteron 100 mg ed week 1-8
halo 40 mg ed week 4-8
AI of choice ED

You can either cut the test out 2-3 weeks before the show or switch to suspension like gautho said. Up to you. Hardest part of dialing it in close to show time is knowing your body and how it responds. That's why its so imperative to keep your diet absolutely constant so no extraneous variables come into play.

Also, my experience with GH is to run it at normal doses 6 months out (8 iu EOD) then 8 weeks out drop it to 2-3 iu ED, and personally I cut it out around 2 weeks out.

As far as diuretics, T3, and clen, I don't mess with that stuff. If your diet is spot on all you need is AI's and some potassium to kick the water out.

 

[adicus]

gautho, why is it beneficial to switch from oral to injectable winny at 3-4 weeks out?

with all of the stress on your body with dieting and dropping water is seems to make more sense to me inject rather than take orally. i like th idea of adding the var. i love to diet down on var. helps keep that hard earned muscle on while dropping water and doing cardio ect for contest prep.
Sooo - inject the winny and eat the var. my .02

 

[Muscle Overkill]

I would never think of using var I assume thats anavar. I have always liked strong adrogens that don't aromatize aka tren n halo(never used masteron but on paper looks nice) along with winni. I have never used any diretics and ever time I have competed the local pro I worked with was against me doing all kind of crazy diretics/diet alterations he would always tell me I look to good and that type of stuff is for people that don't look as good as they should and is used as a last ditch effort to change their body. He would always tell that radical down the strecth could back fire against me.

 

[solidspine]

I could not agree more with Mr. Gautho

Try suspension

If your normal inject able dosage of winny,


Is 50 mg per day, when you drink it bump to 100mg per day, but again injecting is better


Growth, well when is your show?

Masteron vrs winny I say go with winny

cuz I'm all about the science/reasoning behind what you have to say.

I hope you realize what works great for me, may or may not work great for you

That is the science and reasoning,

Science and reasoning can’t change 1 million variables, between each of us,


Maybe God can, but science can’t


I’m 5’5” not much reasoning to it, but nothing I can do to change it too much either.




Good Food, Training, rest, lift heavy, genetics, and the gear that works for you.

Is the science that will work.

 

[adicus]

yes - "Ana" Var, that is. should try it. Love that stuff. not too long though. I stay on for only 6 weeks, get my liver values checked and if "okay" i stay on for 2 more weeks. For contect prep i start 6weeks out and run until the night of the show.

 

[Muscle Overkill]

That's Bodybuilding its all about genectic predisposition.

 

[Muscle Overkill]

That looks like great stack 52 21 30 but Those doses seem way high 3080mg a week that seems INSANELY HIGH. I love the stack but I would cut the doses down by atleast a 1/3 and thats still a gram a week which I think is more than plenty. If was not prediposed to male pattern baldness. I would probably go for it. I have stacked adrol with suspension which on paper I should be bald. But never really experienced "shedding" as people talk about. Although I used rogaine and propecia religiously.

 

[52_21_30]

That looks like great stack 52 21 30 but Those doses seem way high 3080mg a week that seems INSANELY HIGH. I love the stack but I would cut the doses down by atleast a 1/3 and thats still a gram a week which I think is more than plenty. If was not prediposed to male pattern baldness. I would probably go for it. I have stacked adrol with suspension which on paper I should be bald. But never really experienced "shedding" as people talk about. Although I used rogaine and propecia religiously.

3 grams a week is pretty much standard operating procedure for anyone competing over 220 lbs or so at a high level. If you are one of those genetically gifted guys that respond to lower doses, then by all means go lower. I would cut them in half though, not one third. That just seems like too little. Then again, I forget what your stats are.

 

[BigCracker]

Myself, i switch over to test suspension the last 4-5 wks before i step on stage. I notice less water retention, increased vascularity. But, the intangible here that you havn't discussed about your water retention is diuretics. That will give you a larger window of comfort concerning the water retention. I'd drop the prop for the suspension at 4-5 weeks out, i promise you will not sacrifice any fullness and still gain an overall better state of conditioning. Also, i would adjust the winny dose to every day at least with 3 weeks left just to assure that hard chemical look. The masteron and halo look good, but myself , i would throw anavar in @ 3 weeks out. Without seeing how you look, the only thing else to discuss is the possibility of using t3. And about the winny, oral would be fine until 3-4 weeks out then definitely switch over to injectable.

I agree with this. If you feel like taking things one step further about 5-6 weeks out you can start cycling your carbs and experimenting with diuretics in an effort to make yourself look your best on Saturday mornings(when prejudging is usually). Personally I'd rather know exactly how to make myself look my best on a certain day of the week. Other guys choose to use some sort of pre contest use of laxatives, diuretics, sodium loading, etc and pray that they look good on the day of the show. I don't see how someone can work/diet so hard only to roll the dice w/ pre contest voodoo the wk before the show. After doing a few shows where I actually looked better 1-2 days after the show after pigging out, drinking beer, etc. I decided I was gonna get my last week's prep regimen for my next show dialed in weeks beforehand. Strangely enough, that's also when I started winning. I'd tell you what I did but it wouldn't help. Everyones different. Good luck.

 

[Muscle Overkill]

I was planning on doing a "dry run" the week before but hell 2 "dry runs" sounds even better cuz my last show I looked alot better at the night show than I did at the morning show.

 

[52_21_30]

I was planning on doing a "dry run" the week before but hell 2 "dry runs" sounds even better cuz my last show I looked alot better at the night show than I did at the morning show.

What was your diet like? How much did you deplete/carb up?

 

[Muscle Overkill]

I honestly don't remember my last show november 2000 (Long time I know). I did a light to moderate deplete and load. The guy/pro I was working with advised against those extreme deplete and loads but I would love to try them I also never used diretics and would like to try them as well but he was also advised against diretics. Not to brag he but kept telling me how awesome I looked and "that crazy shit are for guys that dont look as good as they want and are trying to pull some quick dramatic change to there body". My attitude is if I look good that stuff wont that stuff make me look better ? 52 21 30 you know anyone in the PHX AZ who you could recomend ?

 

[52_21_30]

I honestly don't remember my last show november 2000 (Long time I know). I did a light to moderate deplete and load. The guy/pro I was working with advised against those extreme deplete and loads but I would love to try them I also never used diretics and would like to try them as well but he was also advised against diretics. Not to brag he but kept telling me how awesome I looked and "that crazy shit are for guys that dont look as good as they want and are trying to pull some quick dramatic change to there body". My attitude is if I look good that stuff wont that stuff make me look better ? 52 21 30 you know anyone in the PHX AZ who you could recomend ?

Troy Alves

 

[Cauliflower Ear]

im a pro bodybuilder...fuck who am i kidding...