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Alright - I have read, and read, and read - but when it comes to HGH - I am definitely still learning.


- Is a 6 months cycle the minimum?
- How much HGH do I need to run a 6 month cycle - assuming I will be adding it to a AS Cycle
- How often do you take it?
- How much do you take?

I am looking to order a few kits and I wanted to know how much I am going to need to run a "moderate" cycle of HGH.

Any help would be much appreciated guys............
 
it all depends on your goals. 6 months is what a lot ppl recommend. id start with 2iu's per day (split 1iu in morning, 1iu afternoon). shooting schedule is 5 days on, 2 off. id stick at 2iu's and go up to no more than 4.5iu's per day. i know there are people that take 18ius ed which is nuts imo, but like i said, it depends on your goals. at the doses i recommended, great for fat loss and some muscle gains. at 18iu's, you'd be going for more muscle gain than fat loss. hope this helps. you don't have to run 6 months if you can't afford bc hgh is very $$$. id say i wouldnt do anything less than 2 months.
 
jmt24 is right on that should do you well stack with some heavy test and maybe some tren and look out..maybe throw some T-3 in there and some clen and your good to go
 
Honestly hGH converts to IGF-1 so why not just do a 25 day cycle of IGF-1 Long R3. It has less sides and tons cheaper and has the same effects as hGH but in 25 days! hGH will be about 3 grand for what 4 or 5 montsh worth? you can get IGF-1 kits for about 600 bucks. Do a 25 day cycle at 60mcg and see how you like it. BTW it still has the hyperplasia effect so your good to go.
 
Keep in mind at 100iu's a day for 6 months you will not look like Jay Cutler or Ronnie Coleman!
A lot of people think the stuff is magic.
 
HGH should be run minimum 3 months. To see excellent results, I would run it a full 6 months. Take 4 I.U.'s a day. 2 I.U.'s in the morning and 2 I.U.'s in the evening, but not too close to bed time so that you can still get your natural release of HGH when you sleep. These 4 I.U.'s should be taken Monday through Friday and take Saturaday and Sunday off. (You will need anywhere from 3-5 kits, ubt I recommend 5 if your going for 6 months). You will need to run AS with the HGH. Test is a must. T3 is suppose to work wonders with HGH. Remember that HGH reduces the own bodies ability to release insuling and T3. Taking clen would only reduce the T3 further, so I have a hard time suggesting you to run it. HGH increases the allowance for you to run more AS, so I recommend running AS the majority of the time you are on HGH and you will see better results.
 
unless you are at a point where you cant grow from steroids alone anymore, which is almost never the case, then gh is a waste of money. Its very mild, and you will grow more bone size then you will muscle mass, I experienced this first hand. And if you are going to use it, its only worth the cash if you use it with heavy cycles, as well as insulin
 
needsize said:
unless you are at a point where you cant grow from steroids alone anymore, which is almost never the case, then gh is a waste of money. Its very mild, and you will grow more bone size then you will muscle mass, I experienced this first hand. And if you are going to use it, its only worth the cash if you use it with heavy cycles, as well as insulin

Amen!
 
needsize said:
unless you are at a point where you cant grow from steroids alone anymore, which is almost never the case, then gh is a waste of money. Its very mild, and you will grow more bone size then you will muscle mass, I experienced this first hand. And if you are going to use it, its only worth the cash if you use it with heavy cycles, as well as insulin

The increase in bone size is called aromeglia, and it only happens if you are genetically predisposed to this condition.
 
hankes64 said:
The increase in bone size is called aromeglia, and it only happens if you are genetically predisposed to this condition.

I have absolutely no genetic pre-disposition towards it, yet my bones grew. Gh makes everything grow, thats why pro bodybuilders have the huge gh guts now, everything grows when you are on it, you dont need a genetic pre-disposition for that to happen
 
slat1 said:
Hallelujah!!!

Money is better invested in juice for most guys. I made decent gains off 4 iu's of Lilly Humatrope daily(w/ insulin and approx. 2500 mgs/wk of juice, t3, clen) for 10 weeks at a time-but I didn't really notice much of an immediate increase in strength or size. It seemed like the size I kept was more noticeable a few months after I went off it. I will say that while on it I felt extremely good-but consuming an assload of sugar post workout w/ slin made eating enough calories/day much more difficult. I used it like this about 18 months over a 3 yr period and was moderately satisfied with the results-and I went from wearing a size 11.5 shoe to 12-12.5. I'm not competing anymore, so I could only justify taking GH again if it were about 1/2 the price it goes for on the black market. Otherwise I'll spend my cash on AS instead. Just my .02 cc's. Oh yeah, I tried a couple different kinds of GH in addition to the Humatrope. Saizen and Nutropin were OK, but the Humatrope seemed to be the best. BTW-I think you're better off taking it daily as opposed to the 5 on/2 off schedule a lot of guys use. I think most guys doing 5 on/2 off are just trying to save some cash and prolong there cycle.
 
Thaks for the responses guys - really helped me do my homework............
 
hankes64 said:
The increase in bone size is called aromeglia, and it only happens if you are genetically predisposed to this condition.


I think it's acromeglia? ^^^^^sounds like something Joe Weider would say. :p
 
needsize said:
I have absolutely no genetic pre-disposition towards it, yet my bones grew. Gh makes everything grow, thats why pro bodybuilders have the huge gh guts now, everything grows when you are on it, you dont need a genetic pre-disposition for that to happen

Thats fine but heres what my research says:

Growth Hormone

Rating: (1 being the lowest, 5 being the highest)
Strength-4
Weight Gain-4
Fat Loss-4
Side Effects-2
Keep Gains--4

Side Effects:
Hypoglycemia- due to lowered insulin levels.
Aromeglia- (abnormal bone growth) GH does not cause it, but if you are predisposed to it, it will speed it up.
GH gut- if predisposed and taking large doses of GH
Carpel Tunnel Syndrome
Soreness in Joints

Benefits of GH:
New Muscle Cells
Mood Enhancement
Smoothing and improving the skin
Leanness, it is a potent fat burner
Joint and ligament strengthening

Where to Inject, How, and How to Make:
You can site inject anywhere you can reach the subcutaneous layer. Pinch the flesh and pull back, then insert the needle in the "pocket" underneath. Doesn't absorb quick enough if you inject into the adipose tissue. Do not inject intra-muscular, though it can be done, it is not recommended. GH is a site injection, where it is shot is where it will burn the most noticeable fat. Most people do it in the stomach since that is a typical sub q shot with most of the fat being in that area. GH should be kept in a fridge; freezing will destroy the GH. On your kit it probably says to use the kit in 18-24 hours, remember these are for AIDS patients, not bodybuilders or athletes. Mixing the GH can either be done with sterile water or bacteriostic water. The kit with water will be fine for 3 days in the fridge, even with the sterile water, but you should not take this chance, rather you should use bacteriostic water and play it safe. This will keep it fine for a couple of weeks. When mixing the GH, let the water slide down the side as to not pulverize the GH wafer. Do not spray it directly against the wafer with any force. Before reconstitution and even after GH is fragile!!! Also once the water is injected into the bottle gently swirl the vial to reconstitute, do not shake or swirl violently!!!!

Conversions:
1 ml = 1 cc -/+
100 units per 1 cc

6 mg = 18iu

1 ml = 18iu

.50 ml = 9iu

.25 ml = 4.5iu

Some people choose to only do it in cc?s but here is how you can do it in units on a slin dart

5.5 = 1iu, so 2iu = 11 on a slin dart

Differences Between Kits:
The main difference between kits is how many iu?s they make when reconstituted. For example, Serostim re-constitutes to make 126iu, while a Saizen kit.... also made by Serono.... makes up 15iu. Another of their kits makes 54iu. It better be way cheaper than a Serostim kit! Humatrope is fine, but costs too much. The other main concern would be fakes; Lilly is the most often faked one. Some older GH kits do not have holograms on them and are legit, but they are usually only less than 100 dollars than new GH kits with holograms, and I would rather be assured of the hologram and legitimacy of the kit. Best buy currently is Serostim 126 iu kits. These are made for people with wasting diseases like AIDs. Many of these patients got infected because they are IV drug addicts..........they sell the Serostim on the street for drug money.


Dose:

4 to 6 iu ed is sufficient. Most people take it 5 days on 2 days off at their designated dosage. There is no reason or evidence why you cannot stay on for various lengths of time; there is no need to go 5 on 2 off other than cost. Considering that our natural production is only .5 to 1.5iu a day, this is still a huge bump for the body. Research has shown that the body's natural defense systems render mega doses of GH ineffective, anyway. GH does not cause gains in mass...it allows you to put on a great deal of lean mass in combination with proper steroid and insulin use. The user before taking must know this. One or two kits are not enough, you need at least 3 to make you happy, GH takes a while to make its effects, but remember they are long lasting, what you see is what you keep. It takes 6 to 8 weeks to notice a dramatic change in body comp using GH on an ED or 5/2 split. Lighter doses for long periods of time are better than large doses for short cycles. Like any other drug, the more you take the more the benefits, but likewise also more risks. 4-6 iu is a standard dose but many people take more, the most repulsing side effects happen at or beyond 12 iu a day but like anything else it depends on your predisposition for it.


How to Stack:
GH is best taken in conjunction with insulin, anabolic steroids, and t3. Insulin is extremely effective with GH, as anyone here who has tried it will testify. This is because GH injections cause a down regulation of insulin sensitivity in the body.
GH alone causes little growth of lean mass, however, when combined with insulin and steroids (and IGF-1 if you can find it), the results can be down right remarkable...esp. in the older bodybuilder. Start light with the humulin...5iu...and work up 1 iu a day till you get use to it. 7 to 10iu in the AM and 7 to 10 iu in the late afternoon, with split doses of GH is your best bet. When splitting GH/insulin doses, I use mid-morning and late afternoon after lifting.... both flat times in our natural GH production. The insulin overcomes the insulin-resistance caused by exogenous GH supplementation. If you are scared to take insulin thought, then Gh with Test and Glucophage is good. GH is good for cutting if used alone. Glucophage allows for improved glucose and amino acid absorption by the muscle tissue and does it safely. This is what you want. The half-life of GH is only 2 hours so spread it out. Avoid bedtime injections since we produce the bulk of our own GH in the first two hours of sleep. Since exogenous GH suppresses this, you should not take it before bed. For best results, use a 17aa oral during the cycle to stimulate the release of natural insulin growth factors. I would run the test throughout. GH/insulin/test is the proven synergistic combination.
It is also wise to preload with testosterone before starting GH if you are going to do it. You should preload with the amount of time it takes for that testosterone to kick in, since most of us take longer acting esters for testosterone you should usually start taking the test 2 weeks before GH use. Likewise, you can accommodate it to fit your needs; the key is for the test to be kicking in the same time you are starting to run your GH. You can cycle you steroids however you want to depending on your goals, if you are going for a more massive look than you would run insulin for most of the cycle and use high androgens, but if you are looking for additional leanness at the end of a cycle you should stop the androgens and run a higher dose of GH or run less androgens. T3 is also another substance that should be used during GH cycling since GH lowers thyroid hormones. T3 should be used for shorter periods though, because it can permanently alter the endocrine system. The magic of GH for men is the ability to gain mass without fat or bloating when stacked properly with insulin, and steroids. GH also makes for amazing improvements in skin...smoothes wrinkles, burns stubborn spots of adipose tissue, gives that paper-thin contest look...and also gives one a real mood lift, a feeling of well being.

Major Difference Between GH and Steroids:
Steroids can increase the size of your muscle cells, but cannot I repeat CAN NOT increase the number of muscle cells in your body, which to start with is governed by your genetics. However Growth hormone CAN increase the number of muscle cells in your body, which goes beyond genetics.

Half-Life of GH:
Exogenous (injected) GH has a "half-life" of approximately 2 hours . . . a 4-hour period of activity during which there is a suppression of naturally produced GH.

GH Naturally Produced:
We release the most of our naturally produced GH during the first two hours of deep sleep...you may take a little time to adjust.... your body thinks you should be in bed when that big influx hits. It is good to take a nap, that?s when you grow anyway. It always helps to take naps after workouts and injections everyday.

GH Causing Acromeglia:
Acromeglia is a disease...you either have it or you don't. Supplementing GH will not cause it. Persons suffering from acromeglia, like Andre the Giant, lack the natural defense mechanisms of the body to regulate the production and effects of GH secretion in he pituitary. It is well established in the medical literature that exogenous GH will not cause the disease.... of course it would worsen the condition in those who had it.

GH Gut: Myth or Reality?:

Some researchers claim that any gains in weight experienced by subjects using GH alone was due to growth of internal organs and connective tissue, which could cause some problems. Most studies do not agree with this theory and consider "GH gut" to be a myth. Some people are allergic to synthetic test, this is something you have to find out for yourself. Some people also feel intestinal discomfort from time to time, if so take it down to one item at a time to see what is causing you discomfort; creatine, glutamine, protein products, orals, and dirty gear have all been known to cause this, so find the problem early.

GH and IGF-1:
Perhaps the most relevant effect of IGF-1 is the ability of IGF-1 to increase protein synthesis by increasing cellular mRNA formation (mRNA makes protein) as well as increasing uptake of amino acids. This effect on protein synthesis can lead to increased lean mass. The research indicates that this effect is dependent on GH presence as well. So IGF-1 alone does not promote such effects. Nor does GH. It appears the combination of the two most consistently lead to increased protein synthesis
 
I did all the same research, but thats the problem, this has never been investigated scientifically, for bodybuilding purposes. So what you are left with is anecdotal evidence, and that I have seen first hand. In the 8 months I was on it, my bones grew to where I had to get my ring resized, several sizes, and my waist size went up by an inch, and thats an inch on stage at under 5% bodyfat, so its not like I just got chubby. And this is the same results that my training partner had, and anyone else I know who ran the stuff. So if you dont mind a thick waist, go ahead, I just dont see the point. I like the classic proportions, small waist, big everything else
 
My friend has been taking 6 iu's of GH daily(on and off w/slin,etc) for about 6 months. He's made great gains-about 40 lbs worth-but he's blocky looking. He didn't seem to get the aesthetic kind of size that wins contests-he looks more like a big 300lb freak-something straight out of The World's Strongest Man(Magnus-like). All he's missing is the heavy foreign accent. It will be interesting to see what he looks like dieted down. He never looked all that great before in contest shape and I don't really see the GH helping him cuz it's further fucking up his symetry and proportions(which sucked in the 1st place).
 
itlnstln said:
Alright - I have read, and read, and read - but when it comes to HGH - I am definitely still learning.


- Is a 6 months cycle the minimum?
- How much HGH do I need to run a 6 month cycle - assuming I will be adding it to a AS Cycle
- How often do you take it?
- How much do you take?

I am looking to order a few kits and I wanted to know how much I am going to need to run a "moderate" cycle of HGH.

Any help would be much appreciated guys............

The real question is do you need GH? a lot of people don't need GH. Amateur/Interm. bodybuilders will get results from AS without a problem, so there is no need for GH.
 
Mr.X said:
The real question is do you need GH? a lot of people don't need GH. Amateur/Interm. bodybuilders will get results from AS without a problem, so there is no need for GH.

sounds like what I was saying, most people will still grow plenty off of just steroids, hell, most of the people I see on the boards would still grow naturally...gh really only makes sense if you have plateaued on juice, then combining it with heavy cycles, as well as insulin, and not shitty humalog that is out in 2 hours, you need it in your system all day, along with the gh, to make it worth while
 
needsize said:
sounds like what I was saying, most people will still grow plenty off of just steroids, hell, most of the people I see on the boards would still grow naturally...gh really only makes sense if you have plateaued on juice, then combining it with heavy cycles, as well as insulin, and not shitty humalog that is out in 2 hours, you need it in your system all day, along with the gh, to make it worth while

Bro I agree with you 100%. The same guys that use AS after 1 year of training go with GH before they need it. It's usually a response, IMO, to a lack of training, diet and goals. 90% of guys don't even need to be discussing GH.
 
Mr.X said:
Bro I agree with you 100%. The same guys that use AS after 1 year of training go with GH before they need it. It's usually a response, IMO, to a lack of training, diet and goals. 90% of guys don't even need to be discussing GH.

so true!!
I didnt take steroids till I knew I couldnt grow anymore clean, and it took 3 years to know for sure. Now I wont turn to gh unless I absolutely have to, and I doubt I would anyway....the mass to win big contests is nice, but the classic proportions are much nicer to walk around with, and anything that grows from gh I am stuck with for the rest of my life.
And you're right about it being a response to lack of training, diet, education, and even the drive to earn the mass.....Hell, if you have been training for a year and still dont look like Arnold, then I guess it really is time for juice
 
slat1 said:
Keep in mind at 100iu's a day for 6 months you will not look like Jay Cutler or Ronnie Coleman!
A lot of people think the stuff is magic.

Ummmm,........yeahhh..................."that's" what I thought.

Good "heads-up"................ :xeye:
 
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