The good old debate. I have used both clomid and the post/unleashed/HCGenerate/forma combo with Phytoserms. On clomid, I felt like I was off-cycle. I had immediate strength and endurance drops, moodiness, almost no libido, and an overall slow recovery. it was torture to keep my gains. With the post/unleashed/forma/HCGen/Phyto combo, I felt like I never came off. Recovery was quick and painless, had that "alpha-male" feeling, strength increased, and libido was ridiculous. Can't wait for HMGenesis to come out!