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Dr. JK

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What's the longest you guys have run Clomid and what were the doses??

Do you guys get blood work done before stopping or just go by experience and how you feel?

Thanks for your feedback
 
immortalis said:
2 months at 50mg ed
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Thanks immortalis for the reply.

Question:
Why don't you do 100mg/day in the beginnig of PCT, or are there any reasons/benefits to stick to 50mg.

Thanks
 
another question: macrophage69alpha recommended that i use "50mg each day for 2-3 weeks" i PM'd him back but havent got a response.....I am on 15mg each day of m1-test and today will be day 5 of a 21 day cycle.....i am wondering if I am supposed to start using the clomid ANYTIME on cycle...or purely post cycle...and do I want a 100mg on day 1 of PCT.....i need more specifics...someone please help me!! also, apparently nolvadex is not useful while using m1test....can anyone else confirm this? also can someone recommend a good liver detoxifant, OTHer than milk thistle....please please elitefitness....need to know this stuff asap...have asked in other threads also....thanks
 
FORTUNE said:
another question: macrophage69alpha recommended that i use "50mg each day for 2-3 weeks" i PM'd him back but havent got a response.....I am on 15mg each day of m1-test and today will be day 5 of a 21 day cycle.....i am wondering if I am supposed to start using the clomid ANYTIME on cycle...or purely post cycle...and do I want a 100mg on day 1 of PCT.....i need more specifics...someone please help me!! also, apparently nolvadex is not useful while using m1test....can anyone else confirm this? also can someone recommend a good liver detoxifant, OTHer than milk thistle....please please elitefitness....need to know this stuff asap...have asked in other threads also....thanks
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Clomid is for PCT (post cycle therapy) so NO you don't do it while ON.

Depending on your cycle & duration you can start with 100mg/day for 2-4 weeks and then 50mg/day for another 4 weeks. That's what I do when I run long cycles (6 months)
 
A few years ago it was popular to run 300mg x 1 day, 100mg x 10 days and 50mg x 10 days. Today it's more common to use 50mg x 21 days. The higher dose hasn't proven to be any more effective in PCT, but the side effects of Clomid are considerably higher at those doses.
 
20ss02 said:
Today it's more common to use 50mg x 21 days. The higher dose hasn't proven to be any more effective in PCT, but the side effects of Clomid are considerably higher at those doses.
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agree.

frontloading just tends to cause sides.
 
20ss02 said:
A few years ago it was popular to run 300mg x 1 day, 100mg x 10 days and 50mg x 10 days. Today it's more common to use 50mg x 21 days. The higher dose hasn't proven to be any more effective in PCT, but the side effects of Clomid are considerably higher at those doses.
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couldn't have said it better!

longest I've run it at 50mg ED was 6 weeks... the sides do start to creep up on you after a while... those higher dosages that some people run, IMO, are just crazy...why torture yourself like that when the lower dosages are generally just as effective
 
Curse Clomid to hell. i used 50mg for 21 days. First 9 days, i was a totally different person every day. One day i wanted to hurt people. next i was like a little girl and just wanted to watch a movie and cry. day 9 i had a nervous breakdown and went crazy for 2 full days. Then all was great.


I will need some meds next time i think. lol.
 
lesarin said:
Curse Clomid to hell. i used 50mg for 21 days. First 9 days, i was a totally different person every day. One day i wanted to hurt people. next i was like a little girl and just wanted to watch a movie and cry. day 9 i had a nervous breakdown and went crazy for 2 full days. Then all was great.


I will need some meds next time i think. lol.
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Grrrreeeeaaaatt. I was planning on using Clomid this time as part of my PCT. I've never used it before...should I expect to be a sobbing, whining bitch?
 
Haha damn guys... I seriously get zero sides on clomid. I run it at 100mg first two weeks then 50mg last two. Guess im lucky :)
 
I do not have bad sides either. Just use 100mg for a few days then drop it to 50mg ED. Don;t see the need to go that high(100mg for an extended period) especially when you take nolva as well.
 
lesarin said:
Curse Clomid to hell. i used 50mg for 21 days. First 9 days, i was a totally different person every day. One day i wanted to hurt people. next i was like a little girl and just wanted to watch a movie and cry. day 9 i had a nervous breakdown and went crazy for 2 full days. Then all was great.


I will need some meds next time i think. lol.
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Yea I never understood this whole PCT torture routine. Just ramp down to about 100-200 mgs of test a week throw in some proviron and aromasin and wait until you fell like another cycle. Been doing it for years with no trouble!

Not enough studies to show me where staying on a low dose of test all the time is bad for you. As apposed to all the trouble these PCT protocals can cause.

These on and off cycles regemies seem like they would tax the system too much, sorta like gaining a lot of weight and then loosing a lot of weight ,not good for the ticker time and time again.
 
One day someone will take my advice and add 50mg of proviron to there pct along with clomid and HCG and will say "damn I look and feel better than when I am ON".... until then keep taking clomid by itself and whining like a 7 year old girl who lost her "My Little Pony"! :) mmmmwwhaaa!
 
Vascular Freak said:
One day someone will take my advice and add 50mg of proviron to there pct along with clomid and HCG and will say "damn I look and feel better than when I am ON".... until then keep taking clomid by itself and whining like a 7 year old girl who lost her "My Little Pony"! :) mmmmwwhaaa!
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Agreed, but I say screw the clomid altogether. Just never seemed to be worth the torture. Hell just going cold turkey was better.
 
Taking 100 mgs 7 days then 50 mg for 14 days...no sides..works well
 
Idk if its teh clomid...but ive gotten a ton of erections on PCT..way more than on cycle for sure...
 
PrimordialMan1 said:
I went with 50mg/day for a month with clomid. I prefer nolva pct in the same dosage, simply because it didn't make me feel like such a girl.
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yeah clomid makes me feel like that too...:worried:
 
odoyal rulez said:
Holy shit i bet your drown your GF when you nut in her mouth...
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Dr. JK said:
Thanks immortalis for the reply.

Question:
Why don't you do 100mg/day in the beginnig of PCT, or are there any reasons/benefits to stick to 50mg.

Thanks
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FORTUNE said:
Holy shit i bet your drown your GF when you nut in her mouth...

does it make you cum more?
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Lol, yes it does increase your load size, but it didnt turn me into Peter North.

The reason I didnt start out at 100mg is because that is when a lot of users report most side effects, including visual-related sides. I had just come off of my longest cycle ever (about 30 weeks) and I didn't feel like doing 1 month at 50mg was enough, so I extended it for another month.

It did make me overly sensitive, but thats ok. I can be a pretty sensitive cat anyway so it wasnt like I wasnt ready for it. Although I had to hide my misty-eyes when My family and I went to the movies on Christmas Day and watched We Are Marshall :worried: hehe

:jenscat
 
I believe that Ulter said a while back that only 10 days of clomid at 50mg is needed. I asked why and he said something pertaining to the half life of clomid saying it would be in your system far beyond that. I still like the 20 day run.
 
For my PCT I ran 100mg Clomid x 10 days and 3 weeks @ 50mg....I had visual sides but took it before bed...I wasnt girly like some people, ive delt with depression before so it didnt really bother me. I came buckets worth like peter north and it tickled at the end so i would laugh...my girlfriend thought my dick was evil on it.
 
Vascular Freak said:
One day someone will take my advice and add 50mg of proviron to there pct along with clomid and HCG and will say "damn I look and feel better than when I am ON".... until then keep taking clomid by itself and whining like a 7 year old girl who lost her "My Little Pony"! :) mmmmwwhaaa!
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That is exactly what I do!!

Here is my typical PCT

Start Nolvadex 20mg/day & 50mg/day Proviron 1 week before end of cycle. (I usually finish my cycle with winny which is out of my system quickly)

2500IU, 1500IU & 1500IU HCG/5days starting 1 week after last shot winny
2 weeks clomid 100mg ed with the Proviron & Nolvadex
2-3 weeks of 50mg Clomid with same doses of Proviron & Nolvadex
and continue with nolva 10mg/day & proviron 25mg/day for 1 more week after I finished Clomid

I have never had any issues/side effects when I followed this PCT, except for my "libido" would only return after 2-3 months

Now I kinow why. Due to high estrogen from HCG lowering my T/E ratio, lowering libido until estrogen goes down on it's own

I found that out only after using AIFM which returned my libido quickly, i.e.suppressing estrogen & increasing T/E ratio..

AIFM will be part of my cycle AND PCT for sure next time... :)
 
Dr. JK said:
That is exactly what I do!!

Here is my typical PCT

Start Nolvadex 20mg/day & 50mg/day Proviron 1 week before end of cycle. (I usually finish my cycle with winny which is out of my system quickly)

2500IU, 1500IU & 1500IU HCG/5days starting 1 week after last shot winny
2 weeks clomid 100mg ed with the Proviron & Nolvadex
2-3 weeks of 50mg Clomid with same doses of Proviron & Nolvadex
and continue with nolva 10mg/day & proviron 25mg/day for 1 more week after I finished Clomid

I have never had any issues/side effects when I followed this PCT, except for my "libido" would only return after 2-3 months

Now I kinow why. Due to high estrogen from HCG lowering my T/E ratio, lowering libido until estrogen goes down on it's own

I found that out only after using AIFM which returned my libido quickly, i.e.suppressing estrogen & increasing T/E ratio..

AIFM will be part of my cycle AND PCT for sure next time... :)
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How long are your cycles?
 
Dont most of you guys run Pregnyl (HCG) first before clomid for a 7-10days?
Is HCG considered 'old hat' now and do most of you say HCG decresses libido and clomid on its own increases it?
 
I am on my third week of 50mg ed. I am happy with it, I have kept virtually all of my gains minus the water. Strength is still up and loads are thick and plentiful. I don't really think my balls have gotten any bigger and I am def. more emotional. I almost dropped an L bomb on the girl I am dating, but I didn't thank god !!!!
 
Several good posts, I have had much better pct recovery with Clomid in lieu of Nolva, and typical protocol is 100 mg/day for 2 weeks followed by 50 mg/day for two weeks. Then I continue on about 3 more weeks with Nolva at 20mg/day. I occassionally get the floating spots, flashing lights, but it's minimal disturbance and very infrequent.

Hate to thread jack, but seems like a good topic to ask, as noted I have seen better recovery with Clomid. However, I am extremely hyper-sensitive to gyno, and there seems like thousands of forums (including this one) and articles that state Nolvadex is better than Clomid for gyno prevention and treatment. Why is that? I thought the SERMs were very similar?

What mechanism makes Nolva better for treating gyno than Clomid, that is if the majority feels that's true (AG-Guys feels that's true also).......
 
zips92 said:
What mechanism makes Nolva better for treating gyno than Clomid, that is if the majority feels that's true (AG-Guys feels that's true also).......
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Clomid and Nolva are somewhat tissue specific - Clomid to the testes and Nolva to the breast tissue.

So clomid brings your balls around quicker, and nolva helps the gyno quicker.
 
zips92 said:
Several good posts, I have had much better pct recovery with Clomid in lieu of Nolva, and typical protocol is 100 mg/day for 2 weeks followed by 50 mg/day for two weeks. Then I continue on about 3 more weeks with Nolva at 20mg/day. I occassionally get the floating spots, flashing lights, but it's minimal disturbance and very infrequent.

Hate to thread jack, but seems like a good topic to ask, as noted I have seen better recovery with Clomid. However, I am extremely hyper-sensitive to gyno, and there seems like thousands of forums (including this one) and articles that state Nolvadex is better than Clomid for gyno prevention and treatment. Why is that? I thought the SERMs were very similar?

What mechanism makes Nolva better for treating gyno than Clomid, that is if the majority feels that's true (AG-Guys feels that's true also).......
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nothing makes nolva better, its a fantasy that was created by several "guru's", there is no evidence to substantiate its superiority. In point of fact all the clinical data indicates that clomid is superior.

SERM just means selective estrogen receptor modulator. they can have very different effects.

Nolva has one benefit that clomid does not(at least not to the same extent), its estrogenic binding acts as a priming agent (so its beneficial to use prior to/with HCG)
 
Varga said:
How much muscle do you gain while on and after PCT how much you hold on to bro?
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Depending on the cycle, last a couple of years they have been light ones (EQ, Winny, Fina)..mainly to increase some muscle and then cut..

I usually gain at least 10-15lbs of PURE muscle with very little water and then hold on to 1/2 of that usually
 
Dr. JK said:
Depending on the cycle, last a couple of years they have been light ones (EQ, Winny, Fina)..mainly to increase some muscle and then cut..

I usually gain at least 10-15lbs of PURE muscle with very little water and then hold on to 1/2 of that usually
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Thanks for the info,
 
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