Clmoid and HCG at the same time?

[Grainger]

I am currently taking clomid and I have been having sex a lot. My nuts don't seem to be coming back...in fact, they seem like they have lost size since I have been off.

The climid is real! I know that .......my question is, can I take a shot of HCG? I took a few shots before I started thge clomid but it didn't seem to do ANYTHING?!


PLEASE LET ME KNOW IF IT IS SAFE TO take them at the same time.

thanks
-G

 

[Testosterone Spike]

How much do you have left and what strength is it 5000, 2500?
I've heard that you should take it during week 5 or 6, and then before clomid. I'm not sure what would happen if you took it during clomid. If you do a search you might find the answer.
Maybe someone else knows.
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[PBR]

HCG/ CLOMID combo

Yes you can do both. however we are missing alot of info here. dont use clomid for more than 10 to 14 days in a row. if you have problems with addiction use the following: 2 /50mg tabs per day 5 days on and 5 days off. personally I dont find it addicting, it just works. thats a whole other thread- I dig HCG. I respond really well to it. be careful not to go too high in doseage though- if you do you will have the oposite effect it will shut you down. I need at least 1500iu every 4 to 5 days. have used 2500iu after strong /lengthy cycle. you should feel your libido climb steadily if your dose is correct. you will also feel pumped in your workouts and strong. some people dont respond well to it. clomid kills my ability to have sex. it takes me 3 or 4 days to get back to normal-once I stop usage. most people have the opposite effect-it promotes good sex. hcg can put your sex drive thru the ceiling. personally I would find hcg to be addictive. thats me. you can start hcg as low as 150iu but I have never seen that. usual is 5000iu to 7500iu wk. I personally think less is more-5000 range.
if you started clomid right after you stopped aas thats ok- should not do that with hcg. wait for the aas to clear system.then go. if nothing is happening re-start clo/hcg from scratch make sure you system is clear.

 

[Grainger]

Well I had no idea that Clomid is addictive?!??!!

Also, why do you have to wait for AAS to clear before using HCG? Some people take HCG during their mid cycle?

So just to be clear, you think it is ok for me to take another shot....say 1500 IU (At once). I have not had Deca or Test in 4+ Weeks and I stopped Winny about 2 weeks ago.

PLeae let me know if you need more info......THANKS

 

[gilly6993-recreatedbygeorge]

Re: HCG/ CLOMID combo

. dont use clomid for more than 10 to 14 days in a row

Bro, the correct clomid "cycle" is 300 mg day 1, 100 mg next 10 days, 50 mg next 10 days. That's 21 days. Whoever told you the above info was wrong.

 

[Grainger]

?

yeah I kinda figured that. I have never heard anyone give those amounts but I was interested in what he had to say about HCG.

When I took the HCG I felt pretty damn good. This clomid has some strange reaction in my body and it doesn't seem to be working that great.


Anyone know if it is ok to use HCG during this time?

(while on clomid, and off gear 4 weeks from Deca / Test and 2 weeks off from winny)

 

[PBR]

clomid/hcg stack

grainger- I research my info very carefully from reliable sources. To this day, I have never read antyhing close to the doseage you recommened. I have heard of and read of, guys doing 100mg for a few days and tapering down from there. I am not saying you are wrong either- Ido know that my suggestion is safe. You can run HCG for 6 wks. I like 3wks on 2wks off -3wks on. They say you can run it straight thru-I never have. this stack is synergistic- you are hitting the hypo-glad from two angles. You are sending a signal thats all. I used this many times. If I add proviron it takes the negative away that I get from the clomid. I too, did not know that clomid is addictive- when I use it I cant wait to get off of it!
thats what this board and site is for, I ve learned alot since being here-the bb world is very alusive and there are alot of people with alot of different experiences, and some are very much in the" know". thanks

 

[LIBeef]

I was always under the impression that hcg should be used before clomid since it spikes your test and that would be counteractive to the clomid. Check this out with some of the vets, but that is always what I did and it worked out awesome.

 

[Grainger]

Thanks a lot!

PBR, so you think that I can take both at the same time? (i.e. I have already been using clomid at 100mg / day for the past weeks and now I can take 1500 IU of HCG?)

Also....If you look around on this board, you will see that every talks about running clomid at 300 mg day 1, 100 mg for 10 days and 50 mg for 10 days. (3 weeks after longest ester blah blah blah)

I am taking proviron...I have sex drive...I just feel like I am in a fog when I take clomid.


Sorry guys about all the questions but in case you have not searched....finding good info on HCG is a pain in the ASS!!!

To me...it makes a lot of sense to take them both at the same time...the spike in test point that was brought up was pretty good. However. you test levels won't elivate that high from hcg will it?

Thanks again guys I look forward to hearing your feedback.

 

[Nimrod25]

Re: HCG/ CLOMID combo

Yes you can do both. however we are missing alot of info here. dont use clomid for more than 10 to 14 days in a row.

First off, clomid is not addictive. That 10 - 14 day rule is completely off as well. That guideline was established for women. Since clomid is a fertility drug, and a womens monthly cycle lasts 10 - 14 days, it was established that clomid should not be taken longer than that. However, we are men, we are using it for a different reason, thus the guideline does not apply. The best way to run HCG is periodically throughout a cycle up until clomid therapy. I would use it 2 weeks at a time at 500IU ED spread a few times throughout any cycle that lasts more than 10 weeks. Using clomid and HCG together is possible, but can backfire causing further inhibition of the HPTA. HCG does raise androgen levels, if androgen levels climb to high, clomid becomes in effective and recovery will be delayed even further.

 

[Grainger]

Damn bro! I am not sure if I have any karma to give but I am going to try and give you some!!

That was a GREAT post! Thank you!

 

[PBR]

Clomid/HCG stack

OK Grainger- I concur with Nimrod. Here is text on this issue, Clomid-
Male users generally find that a daily intake of 50 to 100mgs over a two week period will bring test production back to an acceptable level. This raise in test should occur slowly but evenly throughout the period of intake. Since an immediate boost in test is often desirable, many prefer to combine clomid with hcg for the first week or two after the steroids have been removed. The kick- start from hcg also helps to restore the normal ability for the testes to respond to endogenous LH, which may be hindered for some time after the cycle is ended due to a prolonged state of inactivity. Once the hcg is stopped, the user continues treatment with clomid alone. HCG should not be used for longer than two to three weeks though, as the resulting increased test and estro levels may again initiate negative feedback inhibition at the hypothalamus.
Question: I have never used clomid like this -I ve only used it at 50 to 100mgs for no more than 14 days-tapering down as well to 25- no matter what this puts my dick in the dirt why? proviron took this symptom away any thoughts? I do know that not everyone can use clomid- I know some that get no effect from HCG. I seem to be able to turn everything back on- just cant get it up-till off the clomid for a few days- thanks- hope this info cleared up some of the muddy water

 

[Nimrod25]

Re: Clomid/HCG stack

Question: I have never used clomid like this -I ve only used it at 50 to 100mgs for no more than 14 days-tapering down as well to 25- no matter what this puts my dick in the dirt why? proviron took this symptom away any thoughts? I do know that not everyone can use clomid- I know some that get no effect from HCG.

Well my guess is that you are starting clomid too early, and you are not using enough. Clomid needs to be started based on the ester used during a cycle, otherwise androgen levels will be too high for it to be effective. You should also frontload clomid the first day to saturate blood concentration, and then continue therapy for another 3 weeks. As for proviron, its an androgen, which is why you feel the libido increase, but it does not help with recovery.