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clen 100mcg/ keto 1mg dosing verification

falcyou

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Hey guys...

I know AG had Clen doesed at 200mcg per ml
so one could use a insulin syringe and draw back up to 100 units
(I personally gradually increased from 40 to 80)

I found another product that has 100mcg per ml of Clen and it's COMBINED with 1 mg per ml of Ketotifen fumarate. I am not sure what doses of Keto i should run though as I have never ran it before.

Am I OK with gradually increasing 80 units (8/10th of a ML) up to 160 units (1.6 ml) with this new stuff?

By my math, that puts me at 180 mcg of Clen and 1.8 MG of keto.

and my understanding is that i can run this long term now because of the Keto and don't need to cycle it every 2 weeks like you have to w/ just Clen)\\

please confirm bros!
 
from another site by Anthony Roberts--in a manner that FAIR USE applies

i was curious, so here is the whole thing--was unsure if it would work b/c the 3rd week benrdryl is tried and true, but ........

Ketotifen Fumarate is an H1-antihistamine that is available in two versions oral and ophthalmic. In the ophthalmic (for use in the eye) form, it is used to treat conjunctivitis (pink eye), or the itchy red eyes caused by allergies. It is used orally as a medication to aid in the prevention of asthma attacks, and has also been used by many as a sleeping aid and appetite stimulant.

Background

Ketotifen fumurate is sold under the brand name Zaditor. It is also available from many underground labs, typically for use with clenbuterol or sometimes mixed with it.

Action

Ketotifen is an antihistimine that inhibits down regulation of beta receptors, which are often degraded by fat-burners such as Albuterol and Clenbuterol.

It can be used in combination with these other drugs in order to keep feeling their fat-burning effects for longer periods of time with out the need for periods of on and off cycling. Side effects can include drowsiness, irritability, nosebleeds and dry mouth. Ketoifen increases appetite; therefore another side effect is typically weight gain. Ketotifen also (potentially) improves insulin sensitivity within muscle tissue.

Technical Data

Because Ketotifen has the ability to stimulate the appetite, it has been studied for use with wasting conditions. In the most commonly referenced study examining this property, 22 AIDS patients who were administered Ketotifen and Oxymetholone, 18 gained an average of 11.4 pounds after just under 4 weeks (1). Further research proved Ketotifen to be a TNF-alpha blocker. TNF-alpha lowers testosterone and IGF-1 levels immensely (2,3) while strenuous exercise raises TNF-alpha levels (4). TNF-alpha has also been found to inhibit the muscle's ability to uptake glucose, (which is known as insulin resistance). It has recently been discovered that hypogonadism and low testosterone are also associated with elevated TNF-alpha (5).

This would seem to indicate a potential use for Ketotifen in Post-Cycle Therapy.

User Notes

Ketotifen was first introduced to the bodybuilding world by Dan Duchaine, who proposed its use for upregulation of Beta – Receptors. Several years after his passing I figured out that Benadryl would work for the same purpose, and Ketotifen was largely abandoned for the more commonly available Benadryl.

It is, however, due to the late Karl Hoffman that we owe the use of Ketotifen for reducing TNF-a and for possible use in PCT - post cycle therapy - . He pioneered this idea (though it didn’t really catch on, per se), and it would seem to be very beneficial as an anti-catabolic, though it’s cost would make it prohibitive for use in up-regulating Beta-Receptors.



Trivial Name Ketotifen fumarate
Systematic Name 4,9-dihydro-4-(1-methyl-4-piperidinylidene)- 10H-benzocyclohepta[1,2-b]thiopen-10-one
CAS Number 34580-14-8
Merck Index Number 5144
Chemical Formula C19H19NOS · C4H4O4
Molecular Weight 425.50 g/mol
Bioavailability 60%
Metabolism Hepatic
Elimination Half Life 21 Hours
Excretion Urinary
Legal Status Prescription
Route of Administration Oral





References

Smart T. GMHC Treat Issues. 1995 May;9(5):7-8, 12.
Mauduit C, et.al Endocrinology 1998 Jun;139(6):2863-8
Lang CH et.al Growth Horm IGF Res 2001 Aug;11(4):250-60
Pedersen BK et. al. Exerc Immunol Rev 2001;7:18-31
Malkin CJ et.al. J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 2004 Jul;89(7):3313-8.
 
eddymerckx said:
from another site by Anthony Roberts--in a manner that FAIR USE applies

i was curious, so here is the whole thing--was unsure if it would work b/c the 3rd week benrdryl is tried and true, but ........

Ketotifen Fumarate is an H1-antihistamine that is available in two versions oral and ophthalmic. In the ophthalmic (for use in the eye) form, it is used to treat conjunctivitis (pink eye), or the itchy red eyes caused by allergies. It is used orally as a medication to aid in the prevention of asthma attacks, and has also been used by many as a sleeping aid and appetite stimulant.

Background

Ketotifen fumurate is sold under the brand name Zaditor. It is also available from many underground labs, typically for use with clenbuterol or sometimes mixed with it.

Action

Ketotifen is an antihistimine that inhibits down regulation of beta receptors, which are often degraded by fat-burners such as Albuterol and Clenbuterol.

It can be used in combination with these other drugs in order to keep feeling their fat-burning effects for longer periods of time with out the need for periods of on and off cycling. Side effects can include drowsiness, irritability, nosebleeds and dry mouth. Ketoifen increases appetite; therefore another side effect is typically weight gain. Ketotifen also (potentially) improves insulin sensitivity within muscle tissue.

Technical Data

Because Ketotifen has the ability to stimulate the appetite, it has been studied for use with wasting conditions. In the most commonly referenced study examining this property, 22 AIDS patients who were administered Ketotifen and Oxymetholone, 18 gained an average of 11.4 pounds after just under 4 weeks (1). Further research proved Ketotifen to be a TNF-alpha blocker. TNF-alpha lowers testosterone and IGF-1 levels immensely (2,3) while strenuous exercise raises TNF-alpha levels (4). TNF-alpha has also been found to inhibit the muscle's ability to uptake glucose, (which is known as insulin resistance). It has recently been discovered that hypogonadism and low testosterone are also associated with elevated TNF-alpha (5).

This would seem to indicate a potential use for Ketotifen in Post-Cycle Therapy.

User Notes

Ketotifen was first introduced to the bodybuilding world by Dan Duchaine, who proposed its use for upregulation of Beta – Receptors. Several years after his passing I figured out that Benadryl would work for the same purpose, and Ketotifen was largely abandoned for the more commonly available Benadryl.

It is, however, due to the late Karl Hoffman that we owe the use of Ketotifen for reducing TNF-a and for possible use in PCT - post cycle therapy - - post cycle therapy - . He pioneered this idea (though it didn’t really catch on, per se), and it would seem to be very beneficial as an anti-catabolic, though it’s cost would make it prohibitive for use in up-regulating Beta-Receptors.



Trivial Name Ketotifen fumarate
Systematic Name 4,9-dihydro-4-(1-methyl-4-piperidinylidene)- 10H-benzocyclohepta[1,2-b]thiopen-10-one
CAS Number 34580-14-8
Merck Index Number 5144
Chemical Formula C19H19NOS · C4H4O4
Molecular Weight 425.50 g/mol
Bioavailability 60%
Metabolism Hepatic
Elimination Half Life 21 Hours
Excretion Urinary
Legal Status Prescription
Route of Administration Oral





References

Smart T. GMHC Treat Issues. 1995 May;9(5):7-8, 12.
Mauduit C, et.al Endocrinology 1998 Jun;139(6):2863-8
Lang CH et.al Growth Horm IGF Res 2001 Aug;11(4):250-60
Pedersen BK et. al. Exerc Immunol Rev 2001;7:18-31
Malkin CJ et.al. J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 2004 Jul;89(7):3313-8.

Solid reply Eddy my man!! Thanks bro.
the drowsniess would suck as I am already tired for most workouts....
but being able to stay on clen for 8 weeks+ with no off time would get solid results!!

can anyone else confirm my doses are OK?
 
VintageBodyBuilding said:
f"rom another site by Anthony Roberts-"

That was enough for me to stop reading!

why do you say that?

You think the info he gives above is just made up?
 
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