classifying muscle builders. (My opinion)

[krbn08]

Classifying Muscle Builders. (My opinion)

All of these are basic for the best results. Top priority supplements. 5 out of 5 stars for effectiveness.

Protein
Creatine
Glutamine
Leucine (BCAA)

These supps benefit certain kinds of people.

Natural test boosters-benefit older people better, around the age of 30 and up, but a kid already has high testosterone, so they can expect little to no benefits.
HMB-benefits kids or people who have no experience under there belt, anotherwards the more years you have worked out, the less it will help you.


these next supps are very effective but they are not beneficial to building muscle, because you can get them from your diet at a quick enough rate. Don't get me wrong, these should be used to build muscle, but they are in no way compared to creatine, protein or glutamine.

Multivitamin
Fish Oil
ZMA

this next supp is great, i love it, can't find a category for it, but that doesn't mean it's less effective, it works and is very safe. You just need to find a product with it that has a more direct pathway into NO(nitric oxide) and little great helpers like Citrulline, pycnogenol, american ginseng, and vitamin C.

Arginine

ANd last i had to put this in a category of it's own . . . a 10 out of 5 stars.

AAS- the most effective, but precautions need to be taken on every cycle.

This is all based on my OPINION of what i have learned.
i realized that many don't even know they're supps yet
and they're already looking into AAS. wtf!?!?

Just trying to let people realize that they could of made more progress on supplements than they thought, some of the people on here are older and never knew about creatine or these supplements that are coming out later, the younger generation has a little more experience with these, not saying that nobody older doesn't, but it's just a thought if your older and skipped supps completely.

As time progresses, so does the supplement industry.

 

[daveyboy2345]

ZMA is gay, just take generic cal/mag/zinc tablets for a fraction of the cost.

Nobody is getting 3-6 grams vit.c/ 800-1200mgs vit.E/200-300 mgs B's from diet alone. antioxidants should be up there, glutamine is junk.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Saying that test boosters are unnecessary to raise T is like saying that gear is unnecessary to raise T. More is better and the more you raise naturally, the better -- during and PC.

Glutamine -- worthless.

ZMA-- get a good multi and you don't need it.

HMB? -- come on!

 

[krbn08]

Glutamine works, i know that much. it fights for receptors with creatine, so they shouldn't be taken at the same time. You might not be taking enough Glutamine, you need 5-10 grams around 4 times a day. i didn't leave multivitamin out of the top builders because it's not necessary, i left it out cause it's not a top builder. Effectiveness for building muscle isn't as high as lets say creatine, protein, glutamine, or leucine. These are all top.

 

[krbn08]

Saying that test boosters are unnecessary to raise T is like saying that gear is unnecessary to raise T. More is better and the more you raise naturally, the better -- during and PC.

Glutamine -- worthless.

ZMA-- get a good multi and you don't need it.

HMB? -- come on!

Your comparing an herb like tribulus to AAS? lol really think about that one. Try benefiting from natural test at the age of 16 or so, waste of money. Eating read meat and fats to keep your body anabolic is a better bet than a test booster as a kid, spend you money on meat instead of test boosters when younger. Natural test boosters are not effective on kids that already have a high level of testosterone. Nothing significant happens, you just put an herb in your body that enhances little to no benefit. However for a 30 year old, it is very effective in raising test, because they're test is lower. A good multi huh? well Universal animal pak is preffered by many but only carrys 33% daily value for magnesium. Take ZMA's before bed, when most would normaly not take a multi-vitamin, remember sleep is about 8 - 9 hour fast with nothing. Casein protein is effective too during this time.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Think what you want, glutamine can not be absorbed very well orally. Take $100 of gluatamine a week and how much more muscle will you add?

I never compared Trib to AAS, please pay attention and don't misinterpret the message. Besides, trib sucks. I wouldn't recommend something like UNLEASHED for a 16 year old. The effects of an increase in T at that age is not really known.

A little extra mag before bed is fine, but ZMA isn't necessary.

 

[GLEN]

Nelson whats up with HMB?

 

[krbn08]

Think what you want, glutamine can not be absorbed very well orally. Take $100 of gluatamine a week and how much more muscle will you add?

I never compared Trib to AAS, please pay attention and don't misinterpret the message. Besides, trib sucks. I wouldn't recommend something like UNLEASHED for a 16 year old. The effects of an increase in T at that age is not really known.

A little extra mag before bed is fine, but ZMA isn't necessary.

Nelson, read this info. Not only does Glutamine substantially aid in muscle mass, it keeps your body healthy too. Glutamine is a MUCH bigger supp than you'd ever thought of.

http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag99/sep99-report3.html

And also, glutamine is not expensive in any way, it's retail is way below.

a study showed up to a 400% increase in growth-hormone levels when as
little as 2 grams of free-form L-glutamine supplement was consumed.

 

[jijipuku]

Re: Classifying Muscle Builders. (My opinion)

All of these are basic for the best results. Top priority supplements. 5 out of 5 stars for effectiveness.

Protein
Creatine
Glutamine
Leucine (BCAA)

These supps benefit certain kinds of people.

Natural test boosters-benefit older people better, around the age of 30 and up, but a kid already has high testosterone, so they can expect little to no benefits.
HMB-benefits kids or people who have no experience under there belt, anotherwards the more years you have worked out, the less it will help you.


these next supps are very effective but they are not beneficial to building muscle, because you can get them from your diet at a quick enough rate. Don't get me wrong, these should be used to build muscle, but they are in no way compared to creatine, protein or glutamine.

Multivitamin
Fish Oil
ZMA

this next supp is great, i love it, can't find a category for it, but that doesn't mean it's less effective, it works and is very safe. You just need to find a product with it that has a more direct pathway into NO(nitric oxide) and little great helpers like Citrulline, pycnogenol, american ginseng, and vitamin C.

Arginine

ANd last i had to put this in a category of it's own . . . a 10 out of 5 stars.

AAS- the most effective, but precautions need to be taken on every cycle.

This is all based on my OPINION of what i have learned.
i realized that many don't even know they're supps yet
and they're already looking into AAS. wtf!?!?

Just trying to let people realize that they could of made more progress on supplements than they thought, some of the people on here are older and never knew about creatine or these supplements that are coming out later, the younger generation has a little more experience with these, not saying that nobody older doesn't, but it's just a thought if your older and skipped supps completely.

As time progresses, so does the supplement industry.

Ok, so you say that multivit could be taken from diet...but I ask you... Protein is not in the same category?? Is much wiser to take protein from real food instead of powder form.

 

[growinsc]

i mixed my glut with my post workout shake after a couple days i felt more awake in the mornin. whatever that means. i like it

 

[Anthony Roberts]

Glutamine, Destroying the Dogma (By my buddy, Dave Barr):

http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do;jsessionid=F6CCCAF164C6B8C176592889C959DEC1.hydra?id=461188
http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do;jsessionid=F6CCCAF164C6B8C176592889C959DEC1.hydra?id=459884

Read those articles before you spend any money on glutamine (not glutamine peptides, mind you, but glutamine itself).

 

[Nelson Montana]

Nelson, read this info. Not only does Glutamine substantially aid in muscle mass, it keeps your body healthy too. Glutamine is a MUCH bigger supp than you'd ever thought of.

http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag99/sep99-report3.html

And also, glutamine is not expensive in any way, it's retail is way below.

a study showed up to a 400% increase in growth-hormone levels when as
little as 2 grams of free-form L-glutamine supplement was consumed.

Life Extension is hardly a reputable source. They sell supplements. There isn't even an owner or President or Editor in Cheif to the company.

 

[digit0x]

Life Extension is hardly a reputable source. They sell supplements. There isn't even an owner or President or Editor in Cheif to the company.

Are you sure you wan't to say that?

 

[krbn08]

Re: Classifying Muscle Builders. (My opinion)

Ok, so you say that multivit could be taken from diet...but I ask you... Protein is not in the same category?? Is much wiser to take protein from real food instead of powder form.

the reason i put protein in that category is because it's a top muscle builder, it builds mass and is proven effective, i'm not saying a multi isn't good or that you shouldn't take it, i mean hell i take it, i take more than recommended tho, because food quality is so poor nowadays because of mass production, that the quality of vitamins and nutrients in our food is depleted, that's why people have to supplement with a multi, otherwise there would be no reason. You are able to still get a sufficient amount of vitamins from your meals tho, enough to function, since your not out in the sun during the winter to get vitamin D, i always make sure that i have vitamin D caps for winter, if not you'll feel tired and fatigued, you can't get vit. D from food, just a thought.

Yes, protein should be taken from your diet, but after workouts (whey protein) and before bed (Casein protein). food can't do that, thats why we must supplement.

Just for everyones info, i help out on my grandpas farm with my dad and thats how i get alot of the food i eat, naturally. We rotate crops each year and one year is always soy beans, because soy beans put nitrogen back in the soil and replenish it, making the soil nutritious again. Farmers nowadays don't rotate crops each year so they're planting wheat, wheat, wheat, ect. year after year and the nurtients are then deplenished cause nitrogen is pulled from the ground. Cause they're mass producing and all they want iws money.

 

[jijipuku]

Glutamine, Destroying the Dogma (By my buddy, Dave Barr):

http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do;jsessionid=F6CCCAF164C6B8C176592889C959DEC1.hydra?id=461188
http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do;jsessionid=F6CCCAF164C6B8C176592889C959DEC1.hydra?id=459884

Read those articles before you spend any money on glutamine (not glutamine peptides, mind you, but glutamine itself).

The articles were written in '02. With every day science evolves so my personal opinion based on using glutamine: glutamine is a good supplement not in the best group, but worths the money.

 

[Nelson Montana]

The articles were written in '02. With every day science evolves so my personal opinion based on using glutamine: glutamine is a good supplement not in the best group, but worths the money.

Yeah, glutamine was being pushed in 1995 until I spoke out against it in 1996 and finally it's been acknowledged by 2002 that it is indeed innecfective. Get with the times.

Take the money you'd spend on glutamine on something more worthwhile. $200 of glutamine won't do shit, yet the same amount of UNLEASHED/Myogenx will yield excellent results.

 

[lil-swole]

Yeah, glutamine was being pushed in 1995 until I spoke out against it in 1996 and finally it's been acknowledged by 2002 that it is indeed innecfective. Get with the times.

Take the money you'd spend on glutamine on something more worthwhile. $200 of glutamine won't do shit, yet the same amount of UNLEASHED/Myogenx will yield excellent results.

The thing that sucks about human biology is that there are way too many variables to say something will always have a certain affect on somebody. But working with what we can, it's hard to say anything until double-blind, placebo controlled studies have been performed; and even then, sometimes key variables are overlooked, which inevitably creates more confusion and chaos. That's one thing I like about creatine mono - double-blind, placebo controlled studies to back it up all the way! Ohhhh, YEA!