CKD is a real downer!

[matto18]

this is only my fourth day of ckd and i'm beginning to think i won't make it on this diet. i just don't "feel right". my workouts are suffering, i'm feeling unmotivated, i dont' have much energy, and i kind of have a "sore-all-over" feeling (or overtrained feeling). i miss carbs so much. you never realize how many of those you eat until you give em all up. any advice on how i can salvage my diet and make myself feel better? i'm taking a multivitamin and 2 tablespoons of flax seed oil per day. what else can i do?

 

[Deleted member 33117]

Increase the flax to 5 or 6 tbs, and wait it out. Eventually you will feel normal in ketosis and your strength will return completely, and you'll fell bad when you carb up.

 

[juve]

Discipline!
It takes time to adapt, and the process could be quite ungratifying initially. But, provided, you adhere to the CKD protol without any transgressions you will find ketosis to be far superior (mentally and physically) as opposed to having your blood sugar fluctuate.

 

[matto18]

Discipline!
It takes time to adapt, and the process could be quite ungratifying initially. But, provided, you adhere to the CKD protol without any transgressions you will find ketosis to be far superior (mentally and physically) as opposed to having your blood sugar fluctuate.

is this actually true? and do you guys even enjoy eating anymore?

 

[Deleted member 33117]

Discipline!
It takes time to adapt, and the process could be quite ungratifying initially. But, provided, you adhere to the CKD protol without any transgressions you will find ketosis to be far superior (mentally and physically) as opposed to having your blood sugar fluctuate.

Agreed.

 

[ProtienFiend]

its somewhat true...

...but not exactly

 

[matto18]

can you elaborate more please?

 

[~SC~]

I personally would never do a CKD. Not only do I hate the diet itself, it's only one half of a body composition change that is possible, so you are short-changing yourself in what you could accomplish. Some just want to lose fat and don't give a rat's ass about muscle, then it's cool......beware tho', go back to eating "normal" again, and watch out!

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[ProtienFiend]

can you elaborate more please?

I would if I had time/my source...

But its something along the lines of that:

the body is used to using carbohydrates as fuel... as it has been since birth. thus when ketones are introduced, it isnt very efficient at using them. once youre body begins to adjust, yes you can function normally... but the brain isnt functioning at optimal levels, and memory isnt what it could be. since im a student... It is unacceptable...

how long does it take to "adjust"? im not quite sure... but if you ever choose to stop the CKD (which im sure you will eventually), the body has to re-adjust again. this causing a host of other problems... especially "mutated" fat cells (the way the body stores fat when in ketosis is different that via insulin storage).... I dont want to say much more as my source isnt handy... but i will see if i can dig it up within the next few days

 

[theoak01]

I agree with proteinfiend if your a student its bad news,Ive tried it a few times and I have forgotten entire days and feel like I am outside my body when I go that low on carbs, I can however function alright on 80-100g a day which isnt high either

 

[dr0832]

ECA is the way to go while on CKD.

 

[matto18]

so fuck, i'm only on day five of this, should i quit? i don't want to be fucked up when i get off ckd... i don't wanna be on ckd forever either...

 

[juve]

especially "mutated" fat cells (the way the body stores fat when in ketosis is different that via insulin storage).... I dont want to say much more as my source isnt handy... but i will see if i can dig it up within the next few days

Actually ketones are the preferred brain fuel, it's just that the brain gradually adjusts to this shift. It is much more efficient than having insulin spikes which contribute to neurotransmitter fluctuations within blood plasma/brain. Ketones also provide 7calories of energy, whereas 'routine' fat consumption amounts to 9cals.

But I'm more concerned about the above part of your post - what are we talking about? For one, if you have ketones in your blood it seems absurdial to me that there is adipocyte accumulation going at the same time. Nonetheless, I'm curious to see what evidence you have for this, and what exactly are mutated fat cells?

 

[SoreArms]

I find that most people who complaint while on CKD have a real low EFA intake

change this and you will feel a big difference

I am at the end of week 3
The first 2-3 days sucked
Then I learned that the more I consumed EFA's, instead of eating cheese and other fats, the better I felt, and like BBF stated, now I feel shitty and bloated on carb-up days.

 

[Fat_Sumo]

The first week is hell! After that you feel great! Atleast I did!
I thought I was going to die during that first week!

 

[ProtienFiend]

But I'm more concerned about the above part of your post - what are we talking about? For one, if you have ketones in your blood it seems absurdial to me that there is adipocyte accumulation going at the same time.

so youre saying you CAN NOT gain fat while in ketosis?

extra calories (energy) are stored as fat

 

[matto18]

what will happen if i stay at maintenance calories? will i just get ripped over time?

 

[ProtienFiend]

theoretically... if you could exactly match how much energy you were intaking and expending...

the hardest part I think would be counter acting the catabolism associated with lifting... and the catabolism over night

 

[MrMakaveli]

Actually ketones are the preferred brain fuel, it's just that the brain gradually adjusts to this shift. It is much more efficient than having insulin spikes which contribute to neurotransmitter fluctuations within blood plasma/brain. Ketones also provide 7calories of energy, whereas 'routine' fat consumption amounts to 9cals.

But I'm more concerned about the above part of your post - what are we talking about? For one, if you have ketones in your blood it seems absurdial to me that there is adipocyte accumulation going at the same time. Nonetheless, I'm curious to see what evidence you have for this, and what exactly are mutated fat cells?

Belive mutated fat-cells he is referring to is the downregulation of receptors touched on by Macro a few weeks ago that occurs with CKD.

As for adipocyte accumulation. Burning of dietary fat will cause keytones to be present in the blood but if your over calorie level, you'll gain fat just like any other diet.

 

[juve]

^^can you find this study please? Is it the one talking about upregulation of mu-opiod - if so, it has nothing to do with fat-cell "mutation"

Oh, and production of ketones is not the same thing as ketosis, that's why I asked about fat accumulation

 

[MrMakaveli]

^^can you find this study please? Is it the one talking about upregulation of mu-opiod - if so, it has nothing to do with fat-cell "mutation"

Oh, and production of ketones is not the same thing as ketosis, that's why I asked about fat accumulation

Yeah that study, I've never heard of fat-cell "mutation".

 

[ProtienFiend]

well... ketones are produced when in ketosis....

and it isn't "mutation", youre right... its just how the body stores fat... it throws it off (not sure if its long term or short term, or the mechanisn)... but i believe it will make it more difficult to lose weight in the future...

i didnt read it in a study.. just an diet book (not a mainstream one)

i only mentioned it because i did actually hear about it... and some people might be concerned with it

 

[MrMakaveli]

well... ketones are produced when in ketosis....

and it isn't "mutation", youre right... its just how the body stores fat... it throws it off (not sure if its long term or short term, or the mechanisn)... but i believe it will make it more difficult to lose weight in the future...

i didnt read it in a study.. just an diet book (not a mainstream one)

i only mentioned it because i did actually hear about it... and some people might be concerned with it

Agreed, def is a concern for long term goals.