using 75mg on a cutter, about 2/3 the way through.....and i am pretty happy with it. i liked the winny better though, seems to bring out more veins/ripped look. def maintaining the muscle and may be adding some in place of the fat. something is flattening me out though....i bet the T3 and lack of carbs. so i look much better on a high carb day or after a w/o. that is when i see the results.