Could I just say to the two folks here that are talking about pain (primetime and revexreves) that whilst their stories are undoubtedly true , no one race/people has a monopoly on pain or cruelty. Should 4everhung or another true historian arrive on this thread , he would doubtless recount many tales of the Russian torturers used in Stalingrad amongst other places.For myself , not living too far from Sarajevo I can tell of an incident involving several hundred Bosnians being locked naked and starving into a shed with no light , after 3 days they were released , just to see how many survived. Al-Khiam prison in Southern Lebanon (now closed) was for 20 years the place where the Israeli army brought young Arab children to be tortured. People in glass houses really SHOULDNT throw stones.