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2Thick said:


You cannot blame everything on the Church.

People see things too.

If you know European history, you sure can. And should.
 
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Mandinka2 said:

Please explain Matt

i could go all day. church ruled europe unchallenged until 1066 - when the greek orthodox split. Europe was unaffected.

The church remained unchallenged until teh reformation - 500 years later.

The reformation had littel immediate impact on the church.

Throughout this entire period, (1000+ years) the popes crowned kings, emperors, ruled land, had an army, etc etc. They amde war on Islam and ghetto-ized the Jews, converting everyone else and inventing festivals along the way.

Church rule conitnued unchallenged until the Frenchrevolution, when Napoloeon exiled the Pope around 1810. After Napoloeon lost, the Pope came back and continued a lot of the "old ways".

The Pope ruled a much larger territory until the Italians kicked him back to the 90 acres he lives on now (1870). Even after that he cast a shadow over Europe until after WW2.

1500 years of iron fisted rule.
 
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MattTheSkywalker said:


i could go all day. church ruled europe unchallenged until 1066 - when the greek orthodox split. Europe was unaffected.

The church remained unchallenged until teh reformation - 500 years later.

The reformation had littel immediate impact on the church.

Throughout this entire period, (1000+ years) the popes crowned kings, emperors, ruled land, had an army, etc etc. They amde war on Islam and ghetto-ized the Jews, converting everyone else and inventing festivals along the way.

Church rule conitnued unchallenged until the Frenchrevolution, when Napoloeon exiled the Pope around 1810. After Napoloeon lost, the Pope came back and continued a lot of the "old ways".

The Pope ruled a much larger territory until the Italians kicked him back to the 90 acres he lives on now (1870). Even after that he cast a shadow over Europe until after WW2.

1500 years of iron fisted rule.
Ok Matt , but that doesnt explain much with regard to the holocaust ,Germany like England was not a very Catholic country at that period , mostly being dominated by Lutherans and Reformist christians.
 
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Mandinka2 said:

Ok Matt , but that doesnt explain much with regard to the holocaust ,Germany like England was not a very Catholic country at that period , mostly being dominated by Lutherans and Reformist christians.

Germany was split regionally; Lutherans and Catholics were the dominant groups.

Germany was church dominated until von Bismarck. Von Bismarck launched a cultural revolution against the church, and Lutherans gained power/influence.

During this time, the Italians took away all the Pope's land until he was reduced to what he has now. The churchwas struggling some, railing against the heresy of modernism and (yes it's true) Americanism, whichwas dweclared a heresy in 1899.

After WW1, Germany was obviously hurting. The Weimar Republic sucked, they had a depression worse than America's, etc. When Hitler came to power, the church was eager to regain their lost ally in Germany. The Vatican was thefirst foreign power to recognize the Nazi regime. Hitler was invited for a showing of the seamless robe - only done 5 or 6 times in 1600 years. (He sent an envoy).

Hitler also used Martin Luther to rally Germans. Luther was an ardent Jew hater and -surprise - a Catholic. (so was Hitler)

Both the Lutherans and Catholics were solidly behind the Nazi regime. It was a Christian Holocaust of people they had been trying to convert for 1600 years.
 
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MattTheSkywalker said:


Germany was split regionally; Lutherans and Catholics were the dominant groups.

Germany was church dominated until von Bismarck. Von Bismarck launched a cultural revolution against the church, and Lutherans gained power/influence.

During this time, the Italians took away all the Pope's land until he was reduced to what he has now. The churchwas struggling some, railing against the heresy of modernism and (yes it's true) Americanism, whichwas dweclared a heresy in 1899.

After WW1, Germany was obviously hurting. The Weimar Republic sucked, they had a depression worse than America's, etc. When Hitler came to power, the church was eager to regain their lost ally in Germany. The Vatican was thefirst foreign power to recognize the Nazi regime. Hitler was invited for a showing of the seamless robe - only done 5 or 6 times in 1600 years. (He sent an envoy).

Hitler also used Martin Luther to rally Germans. Luther was an ardent Jew hater and -surprise - a Catholic. (so was Hitler)

Both the Lutherans and Catholics were solidly behind the Nazi regime. It was a Christian Holocaust of people they had been trying to convert for 1600 years.
Well they were Christians Matt , I'll give you that but I never heard of any of Hitler's translated speeches castigating Jews in the name of a Christian God.
 
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Mandinka2 said:

Well they were Christians Matt , I'll give you that but I never heard of any of Hitler's translated speeches castigating Jews in the name of a Christian God.

He didn't have to. Christians had been doing that of their own accord since 400 AD.
 
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