Cardio and lean mass cycles...

[hardrock]

Ok bros I have wondered this for some time-

Immediately following a weight session, do you hit your post WO shake between cardio or after. I have been sipping my PWO drink (whey/dextrose) while doing 30 min cardio.

When doing cardio immediately after weights. What is best-

Immediately following weights/between cardio?

During cardio?

After cardio?

 

[v shape]

If I do post workout cardio I have my PWO shake 20-30 minutes after cardio.
If you drink it while doing cardio it spikes your insulin and you stop burning fat.

 

[Neo22]

If I do post workout cardio I have my PWO shake 20-30 minutes after cardio.
If you drink it while doing cardio it spikes your insulin and you stop burning fat.

That doesn't make sense. You should consume the shake during your weight training or right after before you do cardio. You do not want ANY carbs for at least 30-45min AFTER cardio.

 

[van_wilder]

^^ i'm interested in this also...

 

[hardrock]

That doesn't make sense. You should consume the shake during your weight training or right after before you do cardio. You do not want ANY carbs for at least 30-45min AFTER cardio.

More on this please?

 

[Neo22]

More on this please?

Your body releases cortisol when you do cardio and consuming carbs the majority of the time will result in fat storage. This is why the majority of bodybuilders say wait 30min after cardio till eating.

 

[Joe Stenson]

That doesn't make sense. You should consume the shake during your weight training or right after before you do cardio. You do not want ANY carbs for at least 30-45min AFTER cardio.

The point of doing cardio post-workout is your glycogen stores are tapped...it's the same as the reason for doing morning cardio. Having a shake before this completely ruins the entire purpose (other than the health benefits and calories burned from the cardio).

Your body releases cortisol when you do cardio and consuming carbs the majority of the time will result in fat storage. This is why the majority of bodybuilders say wait 30min after cardio till eating.

This is BS. You won't gain fat if you're in a caloric deficit, period.

The reason most bodybuilders wait before eating post-cardio is because your body continues burning fat for some time after the session finishes. The reason you only wait 30-60 minutes is because you have to balance this against the fact that not eating is catabolic.

 

[PatBateman3]

do a search for a post I had where we had an awesome discussion on this same topic.

 

[Neo22]

The point of doing cardio post-workout is your glycogen stores are tapped...it's the same as the reason for doing morning cardio. Having a shake before this completely ruins the entire purpose (other than the health benefits and calories burned from the cardio).


I completely disagree with this as will every person that competes in my area.


This is BS. You won't gain fat if you're in a caloric deficit, period.

The reason most bodybuilders wait before eating post-cardio is because your body continues burning fat for some time after the session finishes. The reason you only wait 30-60 minutes is because you have to balance this against the fact that not eating is catabolic.

Please go into more detail with this. Are we not all under the impression that the sooner you get proteins and carbs in your body after weight training the better the recovery.

 

[Joe Stenson]

"I completely disagree with this as will every person that competes in my area."-Neo22

Disagree with what? I'm sure you disagree on when to have the shake because you've already stated that, but what specifically in my post do you disagree with? The reason I claimed you do post-workout cardio is correct. I don't see anything else there for you to disagree with.

Please go into more detail with this. Are we not all under the impression that the sooner you get proteins and carbs in your body after weight training the better the recovery.

The second part of my post had nothing to do with weight training. I was talking about waiting to eat after cardio.

This is exactly why I always separate my sessions. I agree with you; you want to eat post-workout, and you don't want to eat immediately pre OR post-cardio. Doing the two together forces you to do something you don't want.

If, however, you're forced to do the two back-to-back I wouldn't be slamming a shake down right before a cardio session...you'll probably puke.

 

[Neo22]

"I completely disagree with this as will every person that competes in my area."-Neo22

Disagree with what? I'm sure you disagree on when to have the shake because you've already stated that, but what specifically in my post do you disagree with? The reason I claimed you do post-workout cardio is correct. I don't see anything else there for you to disagree with.



The second part of my post had nothing to do with weight training. I was talking about waiting to eat after cardio.

This is exactly why I always separate my sessions. I agree with you; you want to eat post-workout, and you don't want to eat immediately pre OR post-cardio. Doing the two together forces you to do something you don't want.

If, however, you're forced to do the two back-to-back I wouldn't be slamming a shake down right before a cardio session...you'll probably puke.

I haven't puked yet and after training I own the stairmaster for 45-50min sessions. I'm still trying out different things myself. SOme people may respond better to training after cardio while others it may be in the morning or seperate.

 

[PatBateman3]

"I completely disagree with this as will every person that competes in my area."-Neo22

Disagree with what? I'm sure you disagree on when to have the shake because you've already stated that, but what specifically in my post do you disagree with? The reason I claimed you do post-workout cardio is correct. I don't see anything else there for you to disagree with.



The second part of my post had nothing to do with weight training. I was talking about waiting to eat after cardio.

This is exactly why I always separate my sessions. I agree with you; you want to eat post-workout, and you don't want to eat immediately pre OR post-cardio. Doing the two together forces you to do something you don't want.

If, however, you're forced to do the two back-to-back I wouldn't be slamming a shake down right before a cardio session...you'll probably puke.

I disagree about ingesting afterwards if we are talking about cardio on an empty stomach. I try and eat immediately afterwards and I know it is killing that 1-2 hr window of extra burning, but I am also concerned about keeping muscle.

 

[Joe Stenson]

I haven't puked yet and after training I own the stairmaster for 45-50min sessions. I'm still trying out different things myself. SOme people may respond better to training after cardio while others it may be in the morning or seperate.

I actually don't think I would puke either, although I've heard of many who have this problem. It's obviously better than not doing the cardio at all, but something just seems inherently wrong with downing a big PWO shake and then immediately hitting up a cardio session.

I don't think anyone would respond better to training AFTER cardio. There was a thread on this a week or two ago and everyone agreed that's a terrible way to go.

Morning cardio is debateable as it may be too catabolic for some, but works very well for others.

I don't think anyone is going to refute that it's best to separate cardio and weightlifting sessions if possible.

I disagree about ingesting afterwards if we are talking about cardio on an empty stomach. I try and eat immediately afterwards and I know it is killing that 1-2 hr window of extra burning, but I am also concerned about keeping muscle.

You'll notice I mentioned the trade-off between fat-burning and catabolism earlier in the thread. Everyone is going to have a different preference.

 

[sprinter86]

I like to do Cardio on an empty stomach (at least 4hours after last meal) and then I dont have any carbs for at least 1hour after cardio. This is not for lean mass, this is for cutting. I have never tried to pack on lean mass as it is much easier to bulk then cut.

 

[Dial_tone]

I think 75% of you guys spend too much time sweating the small stuff. I think if you took two twins - one took his shake before cardio and one took it afterwards, after 3 months you might see a 1-2 lb difference. I'd rather put that mental energy toward something else.

 

[OMEGA]

. I'd rather put that mental energy toward something else.

http://www.onionbooty.com/archives/battle-booties-3.htm

 

[Joe Stenson]

I think 75% of you guys spend too much time sweating the small stuff. I think if you took two twins - one took his shake before cardio and one took it afterwards, after 3 months you might see a 1-2 lb difference.

To be honest, I think it would take YEARS to see that 1-2lb difference, if it ever even occurred (which more than likely it would not).

I personally don't sweat the little things. But when someone is asking for the OPTIMAL way to do something in hopes of seeing that 1-2lb difference over time, you may as well tell him what you think is best. If everyone just posted "it doesn't really matter" there wouldn't be very many interesting threads on the board.