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Canucks! Do you care of Quebec leaves?

ummm i wouldnt care. bu it would hurt the economy. i like the west way better anyways. lots of oilpatch. its my home and wouldnt want to live anywhere else.im an hour away from the rocky mountains. i can see them right out my front window. its beautiful
 
Quebec gives Canada some favor. They can't leave, Canada then would be the most boring nation on earth. LOL. I need some french fries dam it.
 
If Quebec were to separate from Canada, would Canadian students who attend McGill University be required to pay international students fees?
 
If they can pay their share of the national debt up front in cash, and reimburse the Canadian taxpayers for all crown land and federal government assets located within their borders...not to mention negotiate passage rights for the 401/40 and Trans-Canada Highways. Oh, and then there's the issue of territorial rights on the St. Lawrence River to be negotiated. In addition...

Ah, why go on? You get my point...I don't even see why we tolerate the notion of a referendum. They are a part of Canada whether they like it or not. And the frenchies can either love it...or leave it (as in take a one-way flight to France! ).
 
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If Quebec seceded, then Canada would lose one of her most precious resources -- Andre Avigdor!
 
It'll never happen.

So why give them the leverage of having the rest of the country in fear of them doing so? Which is what they want.

Tell 'em to shut up and let the rest of the country know when the legal papers have been drafted.
 
you canadians are funny people. i love ya though. one of the best countries for sure
 
I remember in the last referendum my friends and I were thinking of going to Quebec to vote yes.

Quebec is like a pissy gf...just bitches and bitches and keeps of threatening to leave...

JUST LEAVE!

And we'll invade. :)
 
I think they should stay. Gives Canada a nice multicultural flavour. They just need to lose the friggin attitude. They lost the war 300yrs ago, they were allowed to keep their 'culture' etc. They should be grateful. Essentially they are trying to hold the rest of the country hostage for war reparations like Germany & Japangot after WW2. :finger: If we let this go on too long, it could turn into one of those conflicts like the Balkans. Centuries old grudge & nobody remembers how it started......

Aaahhh sorry for the rant just needed to unload :rolleyes:
 
I hope War breaks out...bwahahah. Canadian War. Snow balls and flying ice skates.
I think Canadians should be exterminated.
 
Quebec will never EVVVER leave Canada. They have it too good as a part of "Canada" than they would if they decided to seperate. The reason they bitch and complain all the time is because they feel like they don't get the respect and attention they deserve. The only real thing that differentiates Quebec from the rest of Canada is their language.

IF they ever did seperate, I could see the Atlantic provinces becoming a part of the US. We are actually physically connected to Maine and if Que. seperated our next closest province would be Ontairo, we would not feel like we were part of the country at all, and it would make more sense to be a part of the USA. The USA would want us to be a part too becuase of the off-shore oil projects that are really starting to grow and pick up some steam. (Hell, if they get too big, Bush will probably just invade and take them anyway) ;)

Don't get me wrong, I am very proud to be a Canadian, but if something like that happenend that was out of our control, it'd be fun just to see what would happen.
 
deejay10 said:
Quebec will never EVVVER leave Canada. They have it too good as a part of "Canada" than they would if they decided to seperate. The reason they bitch and complain all the time is because they feel like they don't get the respect and attention they deserve. The only real thing that differentiates Quebec from the rest of Canada is their language.

IF they ever did seperate, I could see the Atlantic provinces becoming a part of the US. We are actually physically connected to Maine and if Que. seperated our next closest province would be Ontairo, we would not feel like we were part of the country at all, and it would make more sense to be a part of the USA. The USA would want us to be a part too becuase of the off-shore oil projects that are really starting to grow and pick up some steam. (Hell, if they get too big, Bush will probably just invade and take them anyway) ;)

Don't get me wrong, I am very proud to be a Canadian, but if something like that happenend that was out of our control, it'd be fun just to see what would happen.
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i agree they will never leave but who gives a shit if they did. there loss. i dont deal what goes on in the east. i love western canada.
 
I think Newfoundland and Nova Scotia should have an all out cage match to the death...
 
Ulcasterdropout said:
I hope War breaks out...bwahahah. Canadian War. Snow balls and flying ice skates.
I think Canadians should be exterminated.
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:lmao:
 
Wootoom said:
ill have a knife fight with you
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We have guns in America you Canadian jackass.


We'd kick your asses
 
Wootoom said:
i give a shit ill take my skate off and slice you up
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Even 8 year olds in the south could shoot your tiny Canadian balls off from over a mile away. You'd look stupid trying to close that distance with a skate in one hand and your other hand holding the space where your balls used to be.
 
Wootoom said:
i have a double barrel shotgun
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Blowing snot balls out of your nose doesnt count
 
jerseyart said:
Even 8 year olds in the south could shoot your tiny Canadian balls off from over a mile away. You'd look stupid trying to close that distance with a skate in one hand and your other hand holding the space where your balls used to be.
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If you Americans are all superior warriors and natural born snipers, then why are so many of you coming home from Iraq in bodybags?
 
canadianhitman said:
If you Americans are all superior warriors and natural born snipers, then why are so many of you coming home from Iraq in bodybags?
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Who said superior warriors? We're the best equiped.
I know you little British leftovers have heart. You housed us at the seige of Montreal.
 
Why would the US invade Quebec ?

a] For Celine Dion
b] For Tim Horton's
c] To see non obese hot chicks
 
What would they do then? Become their own country? We're not gonna take em. ;)
 
this has been going on for years now,the bloc started all of it,and some of them just wont let it go,and our government is so fucking spineless they just choose to waste the tax paying money squabbling about it,but i think they should and will stay
 
Alberta will leave way before Quebec, trust me.

You hear a lot about separatism because they usually make their survey in rural areas. Once you reach Montreal (and Laval/South Shore) there's no such thing. Only farmers and nig guts on welfare pray for a referendum.
 
manny78 said:
Alberta will leave way before Quebec, trust me.

You hear a lot about separatism because they usually make their survey in rural areas. Once you reach Montreal (and Laval/South Shore) there's no such thing. Only farmers and nig guts on welfare pray for a referendum.
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Why would the Rednecks leave?

Whenever the oil price goes down they'll be in trouble if they're on their own
 
If you look at the generation of Quebecois who have matured during and since the 1995 referendum I think you will see a trend of dual identity Canadians (Quebec/Canadian) who have found the current mix to work for them. While French is the mother tongue, English has been too tempting to resist. Movies, music, pop culture is in English, and the most successful business people speak at LEAST French and English here. More and more francophone families are seeking a suitable bi-lingual education for their children.

Many have become entrepreneurial, and as a result have a strong interest in keeping Quebec solvent and part of Canada. The current crop, I believe, has a desire to advance French language, and Quebec culture within the Canadian paradigm, and not to separate from it. This can lead to a stronger Canada, increasing international opportunities.

The biggest problem I see in Canada is that the political rules are set up to induce inter-provincial competition to the point that it severely weakens Canada on the international stage, each province fights for it's federal funding and political clout with little or no regard for the country as a whole, and as this short-term thinking has been institutionalized into the budget and electoral framework it will take some serious reforms, the first step (not by any means the only) would be a triple-E senate (elected, effective and equal), as opposed to the pathetic excuse for a legislative body that currently exists (full of APPOINTED hockey players, fundraisers, and cronies).

I think the political buzz words, especially in light of the countries administration over the last 10 years or so, should be: accountability, checks & balances, and transparency.
 
Quebec will never leave Canada because they have an unbelievably sweet deal. Start talking about it every few years and Ottawa throws a few more billion at them. It's ludicrous. Every other province in this country gets assraped because of the petulant faction in Quebec that whines about separation.

They want to leave? Get the fuck out. Pay us our fucking money and leave. I would love to see how they do without the rest of Canada.
 
bluepeter said:
Quebec will never leave Canada because they have an unbelievably sweet deal. Start talking about it every few years and Ottawa throws a few more billion at them. It's ludicrous. Every other province in this country gets assraped because of the petulant faction in Quebec that whines about separation.

They want to leave? Get the fuck out. Pay us our fucking money and leave. I would love to see how they do without the rest of Canada.
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And how would Canada fare without Quebec? It would be devastating for both parties involved. For example, Canada would lose one of the most profitable boarder points in the world, the Plattsburg point giving access to a market of about 55 million people in a relatively very small area. Not to mention Quebec's manufacturing, rail and Atlantic shipping capacity.

The provinces are commercially inter-dependent. If you look at the current economic growth numbers, broken down by province, you will see that the rest of Canada is not being 'ass-raped'.
 
karde said:
And how would Canada fare without Quebec? It would be devastating for both parties involved. For example, Canada would lose one of the most profitable boarder points in the world, the Plattsburg point giving access to a market of about 55 million people in a relatively very small area. Not to mention Quebec's manufacturing, rail and Atlantic shipping capacity.

The provinces are commercially inter-dependent. If you look at the current economic growth numbers, broken down by province, you will see that the rest of Canada is not being 'ass-raped'.
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I am referring to the amount of handouts/donations/outright gifts given to Quebec to entice them.

How would Canada do without Quebec? Considerably better than Quebec would do without Canada. Would it be a blow economically? For sure. Ontario leaving would be the only one that could not be overcome.

Don't get me wrong, I do not want Quebec to leave. What I do want is for the endless posturing over this to end. I want the benefits that Quebec reaps as a result of that posturing to cease. It is detrimental to this country in terms of morale and in terms of economics.
 
bluepeter said:
I am referring to the amount of handouts/donations/outright gifts given to Quebec to entice them.

How would Canada do without Quebec? Considerably better than Quebec would do without Canada. Would it be a blow economically? For sure. Ontario leaving would be the only one that could not be overcome.

Don't get me wrong, I do not want Quebec to leave. What I do want is for the endless posturing over this to end. I want the benefits that Quebec reaps as a result of that posturing to cease. It is detrimental to this country in terms of morale and in terms of economics.
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The posturing you talk about is that political maneuvering that I mentioned a couple posts up. The system rewards those politicians whose rhetoric pits "the province vs. Canada." This isn't limited to Quebec either, Alberta is also pretty loud about it, but all provinces do it....they have to.

I agree that Quebec has some undue political advantage (but not as much as other provinces scream about in their own maneuverings). I believe much of this could be alleviated and even made obsolete by a more democratically represented and institutionally balanced federal government.

As for economic transfers to Quebec, there are some that are very questionable, but the majority are indeed legitimate and necessary. Canada should have a huge interest in keeping Quebec's growth in line with the rest of Canada as there are significant returns for everybody involved.

Don't forget though, that the nature of the political system requires other provincial politicians to point this out very simply and call Quebec the thieves of Canada. This gets them elected as basic economics is far beyond the reach of the majority of the population (this is true anywhere, USA, Europe, etc. I am not bashing Canadians, just humans as a whole). Elections are won and lost on the snap impressions of the public (often fear) and 5 sec sound-bytes.
 
karde said:
The posturing you talk about is that political maneuvering that I mentioned a couple posts up. The system rewards those politicians whose rhetoric pits "the province vs. Canada." This isn't limited to Quebec either, Alberta is also pretty loud about it, but all provinces do it....they have to.

I agree that Quebec has some undue political advantage (but not as much as other provinces scream about in their own maneuverings). I believe much of this could be alleviated and even made obsolete by a more democratically represented and institutionally balanced federal government.

As for economic transfers to Quebec, there are some that are very questionable, but the majority are indeed legitimate and necessary. Canada should have a huge interest in keeping Quebec's growth in line with the rest of Canada as there are significant returns for everybody involved.

Don't forget though, that the nature of the political system requires other provincial politicians to point this out very simply and call Quebec the thieves of Canada. This gets them elected as basic economics is far beyond the reach of the majority of the population (this is true anywhere, USA, Europe, etc. I am not bashing Canadians, just humans as a whole). Elections are won and lost on the snap impressions of the public (often fear) and 5 sec sound-bytes.
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Can't disagree with most of your points. The fallacy here though is the economic transfers. If they are necessary to keep Quebec viable, how are they going to be viable without Canada? They aren't. Secondly, why does Quebec get so much more than anyone else? Do you reward your economic engine in Ontario? No, you suck it dry. Do you give the handouts to the provinces that need it the most? No. You give them to Quebec to keep them from seceding. Ridiculous. Quebec's growth and presence as a part of Canada is certainly part of what makes this a great country but that does not come at any price. The threshold has long since been passed.

The Bloc Quebecois is another joke, how is it that a provincial party is allowed representation on the federal stage? Everything about the whole situation stinks. The problem now is The Devil.......I mean Stephen Harper........ trying to bring down the minority Liberals with a PQ alliance. Incredibly stupid move. Let's give the PQ even more power and presence in the House of Commons when they shouldn't even be there. Let's break up our country.
 
bluepeter said:
Can't disagree with most of your points. The fallacy here though is the economic transfers. If they are necessary to keep Quebec viable, how are they going to be viable without Canada? They aren't. Secondly, why does Quebec get so much more than anyone else? Do you reward your economic engine in Ontario? No, you suck it dry. Do you give the handouts to the provinces that need it the most? No. You give them to Quebec to keep them from seceding. Ridiculous. Quebec's growth and presence as a part of Canada is certainly part of what makes this a great country but that does not come at any price. The threshold has long since been passed.

The Bloc Quebecois is another joke, how is it that a provincial party is allowed representation on the federal stage? Everything about the whole situation stinks. The problem now is The Devil.......I mean Stephen Harper........ trying to bring down the minority Liberals with a PQ alliance. Incredibly stupid move. Let's give the PQ even more power and presence in the House of Commons when they shouldn't even be there. Let's break up our country.
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Heh, never said Quebec would be viable without Canada. That would be an enormous mistake for Quebec. I think the mistaken assumtion here is that the handouts are made with the purpose of keeping Quebec. A small percentage of the whole are made with that intended purpose, and those are made for political reasons on both sides. Most are made to support that commercial inter-dependence I mentioned earlier (industry, infrastructure, education, and dare i say it...that governmental monster...health-care).

Ontario gets a lot of love from the government, and in my opinion is over represented politically also. The western provinces are some what lacking in this department.

Bloc has political representation because they were elected. In all, they do not wield much political clout, but their presence does remind of legitimate political concerns.

As for Steven Harper? I will give you my scenario, and I would like to hear what you think:

Liberals have been in power for so long, that their political strategy has been "lets do nothing, since all the opposition has been screwing themselves with no help from us." the result is that you have a government who has made no significant progress in about 10 years.

This lazyness should be rewarded by some kind of wake up call. Especially since a common view point is, "The liberals suck, but what other option is there?"

My strategy would be to hope the conservatives win with such a narrow margin over the liberals that they would have an inneffectual government, (not that much different really than the current situaiton). BUT, now the liberals have a reason to get off their ass and be a little more progressive. Hopefully, the election after this one wouldn't be TOO far away, returning the liberals with a strong mandate and refreshed attitude after watching the circus the conservatives would put on.
 
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bluepeter said:
The Bloc Quebecois is another joke, how is it that a provincial party is allowed representation on the federal stage? Everything about the whole situation stinks. The problem now is The Devil.......I mean Stephen Harper........ trying to bring down the minority Liberals with a PQ alliance. Incredibly stupid move. Let's give the PQ even more power and presence in the House of Commons when they shouldn't even be there. Let's break up our country.
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While I dislike the Bloc as much as you do, they make sense as much as the Reform with preston Manning did. Both got their votes from very specific areas and both only cared about their folks.
 
manny78 said:
While I dislike the Bloc as much as you do, they make sense as much as the Reform with preston Manning did. Both got their votes from very specific areas and both only cared about their folks.
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Agreed although they at least represented more than one province. Either way, a party that does not speak for all of Canada should not have a Federal voice. That's why we have a provincial level of government.
 
karde said:
Heh, never said Quebec would be viable without Canada. That would be an enormous mistake for Quebec. I think the mistaken assumtion here is that the handouts are made with the purpose of keeping Quebec. A small percentage of the whole are made with that intended purpose, and those are made for political reasons on both sides. Most are made to support that commercial inter-dependence I mentioned earlier (industry, infrastructure, education, and dare i say it...that governmental monster...health-care).

Ontario gets a lot of love from the government, and in my opinion is over represented politically also. The western provinces are some what lacking in this department.

Bloc has political representation because they were elected. In all, they do not wield much political clout, but their presence does remind of legitimate political concerns.

As for Steven Harper? I will give you my scenario, and I would like to hear what you think:

Liberals have been in power for so long, that their political strategy has been "lets do nothing, since all the opposition has been screwing themselves with no help from us." the result is that you have a government who has made no significant progress in about 10 years.

This lazyness should be rewarded by some kind of wake up call. Especially since a common view point is, "The liberals suck, but what other option is there?"

My strategy would be to hope the conservatives win with such a narrow margin over the liberals that they would have an inneffectual government, (not that much different really than the current situaiton). BUT, now the liberals have a reason to get off their ass and be a little more progressive. Hopefully, the election after this one wouldn't be TOO far away, returning the liberals with a strong mandate and refreshed attitude after watching the circus the conservatives would put on.
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I agree about the Liberals. The problem I see is that the only way Stephen Harper can unseat the Liberals is with Bloc support. They may not have much political clout (I disagree with this statement by the way, they wield an incredible amount of Federal political clout for what is a provincial party) but they will certainly have more in a trade-off with Harper to bring down the current government. That is dangerous.

Secondly, I do not wish to see Stephen Harper anywhere near the leadership of this country. His party is nothing more than a dressed up version of the Alliance. I cannot stomach his policies on just about anything. Canada is already too entwined with the US thank you. His top political advisor is an American neo-conmservative in the Karl Rove mold for crying out loud.

I've voted NDP for several years now.
 
Funniest solution I've heard to kill two birds with one stone is:
Arm the Natives and give them Quebec

Serioulsy though in Canada, we've had Quebec seperatism, Western seperatism, Atlantic seperatism, and on, and on. Being a highly regionalistic country, it comes with the territory. However to follow through on any of that, undermines exactly what makes us Canadain, and what keeps us Canadian. To say go ahead Quebec and leave, won't affect/effect us is just plain ignorant (sorry if I offend anyone here). The ramifications of Quebec leaving extend well beyond Quebec. Every province in Canada would be effected/affected one way or the other well beyond the cultural impact. I just ran out of time typing this, I may elaborate later....sorry

BTW - Take a close look at Stephen Harper, does he not look exactly like a Ken doll who's packing a bit of weight?
 
Stephen Harper & Gilles Duceppe.....

In less than a month they'll split up if ever they were to govern together
 
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