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Can someone knowledgeable please shed some light on something?

Mike P.T.

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I was thinking about the differences in toxicity with certain steroids according to what is written and also what has been passed around from person to person.

Here is my question. How come they say something such as Halotestin is MUCH more toxic than let's say something like dianabol?? Think about it. On a mg for mg basis let's say you took 20mg of halo and 20mg of d-bol. Both are c-17 alpha alkylated we all know that. Now maybe the halo is slightly more androgenic than d-bol so let's use anadrol even as an example. Either way aside from the extra androgenic effect producing there own side's how come halo is considered WAY more toxic to the liver??? On a mg for mg basis it should be equal yes?? Someone even on here posted his blood tests and results after just taking some anavar alone even and it showed a negative rise in liver values significant enough that in long term could be damaging. Yetanavar is considered so mild. True it is mildy androgenic but we are talking liver wise. It's considered and preached as being so mild by many and im not understanding why.

Overall I think it's an individual thing. Everyone handles steroids different and some encounter problems others don't. Genetics and lifestyle(good eating, no extra recreational drugs and/or drinking) obviously making a difference as well as taking certain neccesary precautions drug-wise. Such as anti-estrogens and anti-aromatise's for aromatization and proscar and such for dht related side effects. But im getting into another topic entirely.... So back to my question. Anyone know???

BTW - No guesses ok and answers from vets and/or mods with a good amount of anabolic experience and knowledge please.
 
Halotestin is a completly different steroid as is made up up different elements than d-bol. The different elements in the compounds attack the liver and affects the values differently. In turn Halo also increase the absecous gland. Since the Halotestin affects the gland that is responsible for causing acne you will notice more pimples than taking d-bol. D-bol will break down in your body easier than the Halo. The d-bol basicly will put mostly water weight and thats why most people use D-bol for jump starting your cycle.
 
ZeroCool said:
Halotestin is a completly different steroid as is made up up different elements than d-bol. The different elements in the compounds attack the liver and affects the values differently. In turn Halo also increase the absecous gland. Since the Halotestin affects the gland that is responsible for causing acne you will notice more pimples than taking d-bol. D-bol will break down in your body easier than the Halo. The d-bol basicly will put mostly water weight and thats why most people use D-bol for jump starting your cycle.

The Differences of the 2 and how they affect the body as a whole.

Halotestin is an oral steroid. Its fluoxymesterone substance is a precursor of methyltestosterone which, through changes in the chemical structure, was made much more androgenic than test-osterone. The anabolic component of Halotestin is only slightly pronounced. Based on its characteristics Halotestin is used mainly when the athlete is more interested in a strength buildup rather than in a muscle gain. Powerlifters and weightlifters who must stay within a certain weight class often use Halotestin because they are primarily interested in a strength gain without adding body weight. In bodybuilding this drug is almost exclusively taken during preparation for a competition. With a lower body fat content Halotestin gives the bodybuilder a distinctive muscle hardness and sharpness. Although the muscle diameter does not increase, it appears more massive since the muscle den-sity is improved. The fact that a daily dose of up to 20 mg does not cause water and salt retention makes it even more desirable. During a diet, Halotestin helps the athlete get through difficult, intense training while increasing the aggressiveness of many us-ers. This is another reason why it is so popular among powerlifters, weightlifters, football players, and, in particular, boxers. The generally observed dose is normally 20-40 mg/day. Bodybuilders are usually satisfied with 20-30 mg/day while powerlifters often take 40 mg/day or more. The daily dosage is usually split into two equal amounts and taken mornings and evenings with plenty of fluids. Since the tablets are 1 7-alpha alky-lated, they can be taken during meals without any loss in effect.

Those who are tired of taking Dianabol tablets will find Halotestin an interesting alternative. In the meantime we know several body-builders who have combined Halotestin with injectable, mostly anabolic, steroid preparations such as Anadur, Deca-Durabolin, Primobolan Depot, or Equipoise. The quick strength gain induced by Halotestin can usually be turned into solid, high-quality muscle tissue by taking the above steroids. This is an ?specially welcome change for athletes who easily retain water arid have to fight against swollen breast glands. Many will be surprised at what progress can be achieved by a simple combination of 30 mg Halotestin/day and 100 mg Equipoise every two days over a four week period.

"So far, so good," you will say, but unfortunately, this is not so since Halotestin is a very toxic steroid. Besides Anadrol 50 and Methyltestosterone it is the oral steroid with the most side effects. Those who would like to try Halotestin should limit the intake to 4-6 weeks and take no more than 20-30 mg daily Fluoxymesterone puts extremely high stress on the liver and is thus potentially liver damaging. Other frequently- observed side effects are increased pro-duction of the sebaceous gland (which goes hand in hand with acne), nasal bleeding, headaches, gastrointestinal pain, and reduced pro-duction of the body's own hormones. Men become easily irritable and aggressive. Gynecomastia and high blood pressure caused by edemas do not occur with Halotestin. Do not be surprised, however, when on Halotestin's package insert you read the words "gynecomastia" and "edemas." This standard warning, due to legal provisions, is included in all strong androgenic steroids. Women should avoid Halotestin since it can cause substantol and in part irreversible virilization symptoms.

One hundred 10 mg tablets cost approx. $100 on the black market.

"Dianabol (1 7-alpha-methyl-1 7beta-hydroxil-androsta-1.4dien-3-on) is an orally applicable steroid with a great effect on the protein metabolism. The effect of Dianabol promotes the protein synthesis, thus it supports the buildup of protein. This effect mani-fests itself in a positive nitrogen balance and an improved well-be-ing. Dianabol has a very strong anabolic and androgenic effect which manifests itself in an enormous buildup of strength and muscle mass in its users. Dianabol is simply a "mass steroid" which works quickly and reliably. A weight gain of 2 - 4 pounds per week in the first six weeks is normal with Dianabol. The additional body weight consists of a true increase in tissue (hyper-trophy of muscle fibers) and, in particular, in a noticeable retention of fluids. Dianabol aromatizes easily so that it is not a very good drug when one works out for a competition. Excessive water reten-tion and aromatizing can be avoided in most cases by simultaneously taking Nolvadex and Proviron so that some athletes are able to use Dianabol until three to four days before a competition. An effective daily dose for athletes is around 15-40 mg/day. The dosage of Dianabol taken by the athlete should always be coordinated with his individual goals. Steroid nov-ices do not need more than 15-20 mg of Dianabol per day since this dose is sufficient to achieve exceptional results over a period of 8-10 weeks. When the effect begins to slow down in this group after about eight weeks and the athlete wants to continue his treatment, the dosage of Dianabol should not be increased but an injectable steroid such as Deca-Durabolin in a dosage of 200 mg/week or Primobolan in a dosage of 200 mg/week should be used in addition to the Dianabol dose; or he may switch to one of the two above-mentioned compounds. The use of testosterone is not recommended at this stage as the athlete should leave some free play for later. For those either impatient or more advanced, a stack of Dianabol 20-30 mg/day and Deca-Durabolin 200-400 mg/day achieves miracles. Those who are more interested in strength and less in body mass can combine Dianabol with either Oxandrolone or Winstrol tablets. The additional intake of an injectable steroid does, however, clearly show the best results. To build up mass and strength, Sustanon or Testosterone enanthate at 250-mg+/week and/ or Deca-Durabolin 200 at mg +/week are suitable. To prepare, for a competition, Dianabol has only limited use since it causes distinct water retention in many athletes and due to its high conversion rate into estrogen it complicates the athlete's fat breakdown. Those of you without this problem or who are able to control it by taking Nolvadex or Proviron, in this phase should use Dianabol together with the proven Parabolan, Winstrol Depot, Masteron, Oxandrolone, etc.

Since Dianabol's half-life time is only 3.2 - 4.5 hours (1) application at least twice a day is necessary to achieve a somewhat even concen-tration of the substance in the blood. It is recommended that the tablets be taken during meals so that pos-sible gastrointestinal pains can be avoided. Dianabol reaches the blood after 1-3 hours. A simple application of only 10 mg results in a 5-fold increase in the average testosterone concentration in the male.Women should not use Dianabol because, due to its distinct andro-genic component, considerable virilization symptoms can occur. Although Dianabol has many potential side effects, they are rare with a dosage of up to 20 mg/day. Since Dianabol is I 7-alpha alky-lated it causes a considerable strain on the liver. In high dosages and over a longer period of time, Dianabol is liver-toxic. Even a dosage of only 10 mg/day can increase the liver values; after discontinu-ance of the drug, however, the values return to normal. Since Dianabol quickly increases the body weight due to high water re-tention, a high blood pressure and a faster heartbeat can occur, some-times requiring the intake of an antihypertensive drug such as Catapresan. Additive intake of Nolvadex and Proviron might be necessary as well, since Dianabol strongly converts into estro-gens and in some athletes causes gynecomastia ("bitch tits") or worsens an already existing condition. Because of the strongly androgenic component and the conversion into dihydrotestosterone, Dianabol, in some athletes, can trigger a seri-ous acne vulgaris on the face, neck, chest, back, and shoulders since the sebaceous gland function is stimulated. If a hereditary predispo-sition exists Dianabol can also accelerate a possible hair loss which again can be explained by the high conversion of the substance into dihydrotestosterone. Another disadvantage is that, after discontinuance of the compound, a considerable loss of strength and mass often occurs since the water stored during the intake is again excreted by the body. In high dosages of 5 0 mg +/day aggres-sive behavior in the user can occasionally be observed which, if it only refers to his workout, can be an advantage. In order toavoid uncontrolled actions, those who have a tendency to easily lose, their temper should be aware of this characteristic when taking a high D-bol dosage. Despite all of these possible symptoms Dianabol instills in most athletes a "sense of well-being anabolic" which improves the mood and appetite and in many users, together with the ob-tained results, leads to an improved level of consciousness and a higher self-confidence.
 
Thx bro but I know all of this and have read that from the outdated WAR book as well years ago.

Not a flame but I can tell you are still a newbie not by your number of posts mind you but from this quote.

"In turn Halo also increase the absecous gland. Since the Halotestin affects the gland that is responsible for causing acne you will notice more pimples than taking d-bol. D-bol will break down in your body easier than the Halo. The d-bol basicly will put mostly water weight and thats why most people use D-bol for jump starting your cycle."

You obviously did not understand my quote,

"Either way aside from the extra androgenic effect producing there own side's how come halo is considered WAY more toxic to the LIVER???"

Also your last sentence is incorrect as well. Most people use it not to jumpstart water weight actually but to jumpstart the whole anabolic process from the start more so. Water weight just accompanies it and can usually be controlled via taking anti's.

Not a flame bro but read that sentence I specified. Again here it is.

"BTW - No guesses ok and answers from vets and/or mods with a good amount of anabolic experience and knowledge please."


Nice cut and paste though.

BTW - everthing you just mentioned I know by heart already. Thx anyway. Anyone else??
 
fluoxymesterone Do a search on this word.............and use the search engine if you feel like you are right..........It does not take a doctor or a vet to figuire out that Halo is much more toxic to the liver than d-bol and prescribed for different reasons.
 
Nice..cut and past though".....Mike that was Not a flame....damn...i dont want to see any of your :theranger 's then....lol..:)
 
ZeroCool said:
fluoxymesterone Do a search on this word.............and use the search engine if you feel like you are right..........It does not take a doctor or a vet to figuire out that Halo is much more toxic to the liver than d-bol and prescribed for different reasons.

Again..... Why is it??? Bro stay off this thread. :rolleyes:

You basically just wrote what everyone on here that's been here for a week knows already.

Key word. "KNOWLEDEABLE PEOPLE." :rolleyes:
 
I would reply but Im scared....:wodin:

This is a very interesting question, however. Ill keep it to the top by posting pics of Joe Dabomb in hopes that Huck or Fonz will take a look and shed some light on the subject. Perhaps serge is in the hizouse as well?
 
Bro im in such a bad mood(not related to this thread) but that shit just made me piss on myself.

:FRlol: :FRlol: :FRlol:

You kill me with that shit!!!!


Thx for the bump bro. I figure if those guys don't know then it will forever remain a mystery.
 
Mike P.T. said:
,

"Either way aside from the extra androgenic effect producing there own side's how come halo is considered WAY more toxic to the LIVER???"

Note, this was found using TFSE and has been copied and pasted.

"The reason for why Halotestin is the harshest on the liver because Halo incorporates a combination of features including a 17-a methyl group, a 9-a fluorine, and a 11-OH group. Andronergic activity is increased 10 times and anabolic activity increased 20 times over that of 17-a methyl testosterone as with Anadrol

The chemical name for fluoxymesterone is androst-4-en-3-one, 9-fluoro11,17-dihydroxy-1,7-methyl-,(11b,7b)-.
you can easily find that it has 17A methyl(17alpha alkylated) which is absolutely toxic as with all other 17aa
but it contains 9alpha fluorine (as Fluorine is used to protect substances from breaking down as with Sodium fluoride and so on) this version of Fluorine is very toxic

and lastly Halotestin is very potent in the 11-Hydroxyl Group which is must be enzymatically reduced to the corresponding 11-hydroxy derivative before they are biologically active. This reaction is carried out by a distinct 11-hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase isozyme in the liver that operates in a reductive mode
this process by it self is an very toxic not just to the liver but for the renal function as well

all this major 3things makes it very toxic over all other drugs, look at something like Dianabol which is toxic it just toxic for 1 reason which is it's a 17alpha alkylated not like Halotestin

also Anadrol-50 is more toxic than Dianabol for one reason, a study used Anadrol found decreased glutathione production in hepatocytes that stanozolol did not cause (Welder AA, et al., J Pharmacol Toxicol Methods 33(4)187-95 1995 Aug)
and Stanazolol is same as Oxandrolone and Dianabol in toxication effects
Glutathione is a natural substance produced by the liver to protect it against toxic substances

N.B: the reason for why they called Halotestin by this name because it contains the halogen of Fluorine they reduced the gen word and replaced it with testin as a shortcut to Testosterone"
 
Oh, another thing about oxandrolone. For some reason your body has the ability to break down 20-40mg/day of ox without harm to the liver. Above this dosage, liver damage has occured.
 
Mike P.T. said:
Bro im in such a bad mood(not related to this thread) but that shit just made me piss on myself.

:FRlol: :FRlol: :FRlol:

You kill me with that shit!!!!


Thx for the bump bro. I figure if those guys don't know then it will forever remain a mystery.

No problem. Studying to get recertified at the moment and since Im in the groove of learning I got interested in the answer to this question.
 
Im in a bad mood now too....also not related to this thread:bawling: :bawling: :bawling:
 
TxLONGHORN YOU DA MAN!!!! I have been wondering this for some time and nobody has been able to give me an answer.

I'd sleep with you for that but you're not a big breasted size 5 or under woman with a gorgeous face. Hmmmm wait are you?? :p :p :p
 
Mike P.T. said:
I'd sleep with you for that but you're not a big breasted size 5 or under woman with a gorgeous face. Hmmmm wait are you?? :p :p :p

Uhhhh, I'd like to pass on answering that question considering the possible 'ramifications', lol. :FRlol:
 
Again..... Why is it??? Bro stay off this thread.
You basically just wrote what everyone on here that's been here for a week knows already.
Key word. "KNOWLEDEABLE PEOPLE."

;) King Dick!

sorry mike i dont know anything about this...but we can do an experiment on me if you would like..how bout i take the same amount of mg's of halo as i do of dbol. hmmm think i would live?
 
jc21 said:


;) King Dick!

sorry mike i dont know anything about this...but we can do an experiment on me if you would like..how bout i take the same amount of mg's of halo as i do of dbol. hmmm think i would live?


Nothing stops JC21!!!! Nothing!!!! Shit bro with a nurse as a girlfriend you in good hands. Lucky fucker!!!!
 
Mike PT- great question.
Tx- great answer/reply.

Kind of a waste of space on my part but Some of us still notice good questions. :D and answers :)
 
Cesar, shhhhhhhhhhh I told you not to tell anyone!!! Hahaha!! If im a woman how come you're my bitch??!!! ;)

Spider thx bro.
 
After much thought I decided to stay away halo after all. I had some coming in but changed my mind. Better for my liver IMO. I was gonna run it longer than what is recommended.

Shit maybe I should just try fina..... I dunno..... We'll see....
 
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