can not enough fat hamper your keto diet.

[evdi]

I started tuesday and was in ketosid by wednesday. I am doing 1500 ALA a day. I am eating mosty Lean burger, fish, chicken, flax eggs. I am tryiong to keep my meals as fat free as possible. Is that good or bad or makes no difference as long as your in ketosis??

 

[georgie24]

"FATFREE"

......ON A KETEO OMG!!! YOUR NOT DOING A KETO DIET BRO

PM ME IF YOU WANT SOME HELP

 

[plornive]

Fat is not required for ketosis. However, protein must be limited to a certain amount. Too little fat will yield too big of a caloric deficit. This will cause muscle loss and a major drop in metabolism. Eat .9~1g protein per lb of bodyweight and the rest all fat. Don't eat any more protein than this.

 

[georgie24]

Fat is not required for ketosis. However, protein must be limited to a certain amount. Too little fat will yield too big of a caloric deficit. This will cause muscle loss and a major drop in metabolism. Eat .9~1g protein per lb of bodyweight and the rest all fat. Don't eat any more protein than this.

thats what i meant to write but too lazy. i did a zero carb low fat and high protien and i still hit ketosis but i also lost a TON of lean body mass

 

[plornive]

thats what i meant to write but too lazy. i did a zero carb low fat and high protien and i still hit ketosis but i also lost a TON of lean body mass

You read Lyle's book, too, right? His book is so much more straight-forward and informative than any other on keto diets!

 

[Vageta]

A true keto diet is high in fat and only moderate in protein. This high protein, zero carb, low fat fad diet is NOT a keto diet. The problem is anytime you lower carbs you need to up your fat to make up the difference. Keeping them both too low will cause problems. All of that extra protein your eating is just being converted to glucose anyways so a lot of it is wasted.

I'm not saying that this is a bad way to diet, but you can't treat it like a keto diet because it's not the same. A true keto diet relies on a lot of fat intake for energy which is what causes protein sparing. A high protein lowcarb/lowfat diet is the complete opposite of protein sparing. It basically ensures that you WILL be breaking down protein.

 

[plornive]

A true keto diet is high in fat and only moderate in protein. This high protein, zero carb, low fat fad diet is NOT a keto diet. The problem is anytime you lower carbs you need to up your fat to make up the difference. Keeping them both too low will cause problems. All of that extra protein your eating is just being converted to glucose anyways so a lot of it is wasted.

I'm not saying that this is a bad way to diet, but you can't treat it like a keto diet because it's not the same. A true keto diet relies on a lot of fat intake for energy which is what causes protein sparing. A high protein lowcarb/lowfat diet is the complete opposite of protein sparing. It basically ensures that you WILL be breaking down protein.

If protein and carbs are limited so that blood glucose is only sufficient for little more than the brain's glucose needs, fat is not required for ketosis. That is the bottom line. Fat is just there for calories, and the body can't really tell the difference between bodyfat and ingested fat. Fatty acid mobilization from adipose tissues is generally not a bottleneck. It is a mistake to plan a keto diet by looking at the ratio of fat to protein. This makes little to no sense (I can't think of any good reason). What makes more sense is to figure out how much glucose your blood can handle without getting out of ketosis and limiting your protein and carbs appropriately. Add as much fat as you need to bring your calories up and supply the essential fatty acids.

 

[plornive]

A high protein lowcarb/lowfat diet is the complete opposite of protein sparing. It basically ensures that you WILL be breaking down protein.

I agree with you if the dieter eats too much protein. If protein is limited, however, it is indeed a keto diet (a very low calorie keto diet that will make the metabolism drop quickly).

Very high protein diets should be called gluconeogenesis diets. They work sometimes because protein is thermogenic and blood sugar is maintained via gluconeogenesis but not spiked by carbohydrates.

If you want to keto diet, limit protein to .9~1g per pound of bodyweight, and add fat to create your desired caloric deficit.

 

[evdi]

OK

Thanks alot guys the adjustment has already been made

 

[2wide]

I have cycled back and forth between low carb, low fat, and mod protein diet to mod carb, low fat, mod protein diet and this worked very well. I think that the body did not have time to shut down metabolic activity or switch to catabolism because of the switch, and by this I mean the average metabolic rate stayed good between the higher and lower carbs.