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Calling all Testosterone Users!!! What is your optimal dose you use for growth?

500 mg test enthate 10 wks
That is always been great for me and that is what I am doing now
 
RADAR said:
LOL@ Graham Cracker!

RADAR
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I'm glad you guys are enjoying the graham cracker action. My dad calls me powder because I am rather pale. The worst mistake I made was bleaching my hair, then the susan powter jokes got fired up. I also get casper pretty often, one of my favs. BTW, graham crackers sound pretty good!
 
silverbackn said:
I'm glad you guys are enjoying the graham cracker action. My dad calls me powder because I am rather pale. The worst mistake I made was bleaching my hair, then the susan powter jokes got fired up. I also get casper pretty often, one of my favs. BTW, graham crackers sound pretty good!
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Susan Powter!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LMAO!!!!! STOP IT....I can't breath!!!!! LOLOLOLOL Oh crap man that was great....I hurt from that one. Well, if I can't laugh at others, who can I laugh at. I too am pigmantly challenged and am usually referred too as "beam" because my legs will actually damge to your rods and cones if looked directly at for more than a few seconds. I guess we should start a self deprecating humor post so we can all own up to our shortcomings huh?
 
wayneboard1 said:
Susan Powter!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LMAO!!!!! STOP IT....I can't breath!!!!! LOLOLOLOL Oh crap man that was great....I hurt from that one. Well, if I can't laugh at others, who can I laugh at. I too am pigmantly challenged and am usually referred too as "beam" because my legs will actually damge to your rods and cones if looked directly at for more than a few seconds. I guess we should start a self deprecating humor post so we can all own up to our shortcomings huh?
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LMAO! I'm about to fall out of my chair. The rods and cones part totally got me. I'm glad I'm not the only one here who lacks melanin, fucking genetics.
 
silverbackn said:
LMAO! I'm about to fall out of my chair. The rods and cones part totally got me. I'm glad I'm not the only one here who lacks melanin, fucking genetics.
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Yeah...I have to use iodine as my sunless tanner and it barely works.
 
wayneboard1 said:
Yeah...I have to use iodine as my sunless tanner and it barely works.
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I get made fun of constantly for using sunless tanner. I always just have to tell them to trust me that they don't want to see how I really roll. Then I have to pull the draws down and show them the line, usually there a few dry heaves and gasps. On a good day someone will black out.
 
silverbackn said:
I get made fun of constantly for using sunless tanner. I always just have to tell them to trust me that they don't want to see how I really roll. Then I have to pull the draws down and show them the line, usually there a few dry heaves and gasps. On a good day someone will black out.
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Ah yes I know it well. The look of sheer terror and nausea at the same time when they see the ol sickly whitethigh/jet black pube/BVD shot. I have found the copper tone endless summer works the best. How the hell did we get off on this subject? I know it's not my fault.
 
wayneboard1 said:
Ah yes I know it well. The look of sheer terror and nausea at the same time when they see the ol sickly whitethigh/jet black pube/BVD shot. I have found the copper tone endless summer works the best. How the hell did we get off on this subject? I know it's not my fault.
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I think this is what they call a tangent. I personally rock the sublime by loreal. Wow, that sounded very gay.
 
silverbackn said:
I think this is what they call a tangent. I personally rock the sublime by loreal. Wow, that sounded very gay.
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LMAO....man that did sound pretty dang gay. LOL..."I rock the sublime by loreal".....I bet you have wham or melissa ethridge playing in the background while you check out elite huh? LOL The only thing I can think of that sounds more wrong than what you just said is "Ward, I think you pretty hard on the beaver last night". After I heard that I can never watch Leave it to beaver again without feeling dirty. And this is one heck of a tangent. Sorry to whoever started this thread.
 
Actually, I'm rocking some Cher. Just kidding. I know that after my Golden Girls comments I'm on thin ice. The beaver line is definitely a rough one. We definitely killed this thread, sorry homies.
 
7 fiddy for me.
 
750-1g I've really never noticed too much difference between the two but I have seen a noticable difference between 500-750mg's
 
Still trying to find the right amount. On 400mg enanthate every 4 days now. Seems good so far with 250mg eq every 4 days. I know that's a strange schedule but the test is T400 and the eq is 250mg per cc so it's just an easy 2cc shot in the quads. Guess I could do it different but that T400 hurts like hell without the eq.
 
Before I get flamed - I know the T400 is a blend - stating enanthate was just a typo. I was thinking about my next cycle which is just sitting in the dresser drawer waiting it's turn ;)
 
wayneboard1 said:
So who are you "rockin" tonight silver? Michael Bolton? "Can I touch you there?!" I am embaressed I know that song.
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It looks like I have to pass the torch for flamer of the day to you on that one. I've never even heard of that shit, you should be embarassed.
 
silverbackn said:
It looks like I have to pass the torch for flamer of the day to you on that one. I've never even heard of that shit, you should be embarassed.
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*wayne hangs head*.....I am so ashamed.
 
I still gain on 500mg weekly. Recently tried 750mg Sust, not much of a difference IMO. Maybe enanth or cyp allows more leveled concentration so 750-1000mg would be more effective.
 
Jenetic said:
Yes.

Jenetic
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You're going to have to elaborate on that. :)
 
500mg for optimal growth for me. 750 just brought more sides...
but test is no longer my main compound. i only run 250mg/week along with whatever else i'm on, currently it's EQ 400 and deca 300 per week
 
800 mg a week and grew plenty and definetly changed body comp a bit but then again that could have been from the gh.I am currently still on that cycle.
 
i would say 500 but 750 is great just more sides so depends on what ur hitting. but I have seen great reseults with both, just came off 750 sust dbol and getting some breakouts now has been about 4 weeks since last shot and styaing strong at 180 lbs lost like 2 lbs I feel great, i was at 162 lbs before.

rao740
 
rao740 said:
i would say 500 but 750 is great just more sides so depends on what ur hitting. but I have seen great reseults with both, just came off 750 sust dbol and getting some breakouts now has been about 4 weeks since last shot and styaing strong at 180 lbs lost like 2 lbs I feel great, i was at 162 lbs before.

rao740
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good work rao !
 
azul said:
You're going to have to elaborate on that. :)
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Most people here by now have done cycles and realized that AAS do not necessarily cause mind blowing gains. It's quite different than what most people usually expect. I have nothing against the proposed lower dosages injected on alternate days and do recommend that for the average person with a training age of only a few years at most. One key element most individuals forget and need to put into perspective is that they really haven't been training for a long enough duration to develop quality muscle and a balanced physique.The majority of members here are in their early twenties and have limited knowledge and experience with fundamental training and nutrition principles. The fact of the matter, with or without AAS, is that only a few people with a solid training and nutritional foundation combined with decent genetics will achieve the type of body composition and symetry that most individuals dream of regardless if it's the lean fashion and/or fitness model, respectably muscular athlete or competitive bodybuilder type. With absolutely no disrespcet intended to anyone, we can all honestly conclude that the large majority of individuals whom use AAS don't even look like they do.

In general, when I speak of these higher dosages, I'm referring to going beyond the average and actually completing a cycle with the expected mind blowing results where the people around you don't even have to second guess that you are using AAS. Higher dosages do result in more profound results. However, there are many factors involved when commiting yourself to more complex cycles. Considering the thread is about testosterone, I will provide a few examples with respect to health monitoring and side effects. First, you do not start with 1,600 mgs +/- 200 mgs the first week. This is a gradual process which can begin as low as 200 mgs per week. This is to be accompanied by regular blood, preferably on a weekly basis during the initial assesment. The goal of gradually increasing your dosages combined with regular blood work is to asses your response to the drug in order for the proper dosages of ancillary drugs, such as aromatase inhibitors and assuming they are incoproated, to be adjusted. Once scenario would be gynecomastia . If an individual were to start the cycle at the maximum dosage of 1,600 mgs during the first week, he would undoubtedly expose himself to a severe case of gynecomastia within two to three weeks since the aromatase inhibitor he is taking would take approximately 10 days at the least to be truly effective. Even if effective dosages from prior cycles were incoporated, it is still not enough time to prevent the sudden and/or rapid onset of estrogen which is a result of supraphysiological testosterone levels, more specifically, in such a short period of time. In addition, other factors that attribute to the development of gynecomastia, such as IGF-1 and prolactin, that are associated with the rapid estrogen increase have also been affected. Now, if he were to begin with a lower dosage with regular blood results to monitor his blood levels and the effectiveness of his drug regime, the proper steps can be taken ahead of time with respect to titrating the dosages of the ancillary drugs needed to manage the respective side effects associated with the gradually increasing dosage of the primary drug. As complicated and overly meticulous as this may appear, it is a reality and not something to take lightly. I won't go into further details but I believe that should provide you a suffcient idea of what I'm referring to.

Jenetic
 
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Jenetic said:
Most people here by now have done cycles and realized that AAS do not necessarily cause mind blowing gains. It's quite different than what most people usually expect. I have nothing against the proposed lower dosages injected on alternate days and do recommend that for the average person with a training age of only a few years at most. One key element most individuals forget and need to put into perspective is that they really haven't been training for a long enough duration to develop the quality muscle and a balanced physique.The majority of members here are in their early twenties and have limited knowledge and experience with fundamental training and nutrition principles. The fact of the matter, with or without AAS, is that only a few people with a solid training and nutritional foundation combined with decent genetics will achieve the type of body composition and symetry that most individuals dream of regardless if it's the lean fashion and/or fitness model, respectably muscular athlete or competitive bodybuilder type. With absolutely no disrespcet intended to anyone, we can all honestly conclude that the large majority of individuals whom use AAS don't even look like they do.

In general, when I speak of these higher dosages, I'm referring to going beyond the average and actually completing a cycle with the expected mind blowing results where the people around you don't even have to second guess that you are using AAS. Higher dosages do result in more profound results. However, there are many factors involved when commiting yourself to more complex cycles. Considering the thread is about testosterone, I will provide a few examples with respect to health monitoring and side effects. First, you do not start with 1,600 mgs +/- 200 mgs the first week. This is a gradual process which can begin as low as 200 mgs per week. This is to be accompanied by regular blood, preferably on a weekly basis during the initial assesment. The goal of gradually increasing your dosages combined with regular blood work is to asses your response to the drug in order for the proper dosages of ancillary drugs, such as aromatase inhibitors and assuming they are incoproated, to be adjusted. Once scenario would be gynecomastia . If an individual were to start the cycle at the maximum dosage of 1,600 mgs during the first week, he would undoubtedly expose himself to a severe case of gynecomastia within two to three weeks since the aromatase inhibitor he is taking would take approximately 10 days at the least to be truly effective. This is not enough time to prevent the sudden increase in estrogen which is a result of supraphysiological testosterone levels, more specifically, in such a short period of time. In addition, other factors that attribute to the development of gynecomastia, such as IGF-1 and prolactin, that are associated with the rapid estrogen increase have also been affected. Now, if he were to begin with a lower dosage with regular blood results to monitor his blood levels and the effectiveness of his drug regime, the proper steps can be taken ahead of time with respect to titrating the dosages of the ancillary drugs needed to manage the respective side effects associated with the gradually increasing dosage of the primary drug. As complicated and overly meticulous as this may appear, it is a reality and not something to take lightly. I won't go into further details but I believe that should provide you a suffcient idea of what I'm referring to.

Jenetic
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That post was so sweet it almost made me cry.

I totally agree with you though. I think that during the 80s and 90s, people generally used rather high doses, and today, relatively small doses, especially compared to what some of the pros do. While a 160lb noob should obviously not go up to a G of test immediately, I don't think there's anything wrong with doing so after a few cycles.

A couple of questions though... would you mind elaborating a bit on the bloodwork protocol you use? I live in Canada, and it usually takes about a week to see your blood test results, and you can only actually look at it in the presence of a doctor. So, if you could go into a bit more detail on the "monitoring yourself" aspect, I would really appreciate that.
 
azul said:
That post was so sweet it almost made me cry.

I totally agree with you though. I think that during the 80s and 90s, people generally used rather high doses, and today, relatively small doses, especially compared to what some of the pros do. While a 160lb noob should obviously not go up to a G of test immediately, I don't think there's anything wrong with doing so after a few cycles.

A couple of questions though... would you mind elaborating a bit on the bloodwork protocol you use? I live in Canada, and it usually takes about a week to see your blood test results, and you can only actually look at it in the presence of a doctor. So, if you could go into a bit more detail on the "monitoring yourself" aspect, I would really appreciate that.
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It's not easy finding a qualified physician whom is willing to work with you in most cases. I can definitely understand your concerns in regards to that particular situation. The blood tests can and will become expensive, especially without health insurance. The key is to establish critical points for future reference. A general guideline of blood values to look for, with a few exceptions, can be found in my Post Cycle Therapy thread in the PCT forum. More importantly, it's knowing what to look for, where and when. Shoot me a PM if there is anything in specific I can help you with.

Jenetic
 
Jenetic that was what I call a post! Really good info and I feel alot of us can refer to it in planning for future cycles. I agree very rarely do we see gains in our cycles that meet or exceed our sometimes lofty expectations. A more realistic approach with proper medical supervision is definetly a wiser way to go. Sometimes us novices get caught up in megadosing and really don't look at cycling from a holistic point of view. Great post bro!
 
great post jenetic
I dont post my cycles anymore, as I am sick of guys that have no business even touching a needle, telling me that my doses are crazy. They have no idea what it takes to push your body to the levels a bodybuilder needs to, in order to build an impressive physique.
"I gained 30lbs on 500mg a week on my first and only cycle, so I obviously wont ever need huge doses to get huge, hell, I'm 175lbs now, I'm already huge...." This kind of post is typical, and pathetic. Or when someone posts pics, and they look like they have never even done a cycle, and tons of members are commenting on how huge they are, ohhh, your back is so wide, etc...which shows you the level their physique is at!
Anyone I know that uses the "crazy" doses, built up to it over many years, and has the physique to show for it
 
lol yeah, those 175lb guys have it all figured out.

I like a g a week.. plus another 500-700mg PW of prop if it's a test only cycle. I love test. The main thing for me is running for long durations, I can only do so much in a few months no matter how much I dump in your system.
 
needsize said:
great post jenetic
I dont post my cycles anymore, as I am sick of guys that have no business even touching a needle, telling me that my doses are crazy. They have no idea what it takes to push your body to the levels a bodybuilder needs to, in order to build an impressive physique.
"I gained 30lbs on 500mg a week on my first and only cycle, so I obviously wont ever need huge doses to get huge, hell, I'm 175lbs now, I'm already huge...." This kind of post is typical, and pathetic. Or when someone posts pics, and they look like they have never even done a cycle, and tons of members are commenting on how huge they are, ohhh, your back is so wide, etc...which shows you the level their physique is at!
Anyone I know that uses the "crazy" doses, built up to it over many years, and has the physique to show for it
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Unfortunately, individuals such as yourself are forced into a position where you are not able to express priceless knowledge gained from your personal experiences over the years. It's rather interesting when you consider what people want to hear and are willing to accept. I applaud your decision to keep things personal. It is not different than the majority of serious athletes and bodybuilders. The outcome is the same regardless. People will either criticize you negatively or they will assume that A + B = C and blindly walk into a world of complications which results in various unsubtantiated claims and negative exposure. Looking at the bigger picture, it's better to be private for your own sake and well being of others.

Jenetic
 
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Jenetic said:
Unfortunately, individuals such as yourself are forced into a position where you are not able to express priceless knowledge gained from your personal experiences over the years. It's rather interesting when you consider what people want to hear and are willing to accept. I applaud your decision to keep things personal. It is not different than the majority of serious athletes and bodybuilders. The outcome is the same regardless. People will either criticize you negatively or they will assume that A + B = C and blindly walk into a world of complications which results in various unsubtantiated claims and negative exposure. Looking at the bigger picture, it's better to be private for your own sake and well being of others.

Jenetic
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I think thats why I've noticed most of the really advanced guys have left elite, too much flak from kids that dont know squat about training, drugs, or nutrition.... Some days I am blown away by some of the posts on here, or the amount of sunshine that gets blown up peoples asses for their physiques, which are sad at best(those with good physiques know who you are...). When I was still natural and just joined elite, I was terrified to post pics here, but looking back, my natural ones(which were after 10 years of natural training), still blow away most of what gets posted here, with a few notable exceptions
 
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